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Hmmm , i think i can speak for all the others, Paradox has done a great work developing EU!!! (including the Map)
Like Hartman said these suggestions are thought for a GOLD Version or EU2.
By the way, i never saw a finished GC where all provinces were colonized. So all of you at Paradox, don't feel attacked, and keep up the good work.

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Originally posted by Huszics:

Wow, this feeling I have right now, must be something like how Moses felt after talking to god ;-)


So have You already received two heavy slabs of stone with various do´s and don´ts written on them? ;) What would be written on them?

#1 You shall not play other games beside mine!
#2 You shall not cheat!
#3 You shall not break royal marriages!
#4 You ...

... to be continued by You, folks. :)

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Originally posted by Hartmann:

#1 You shall not play other games beside mine!
#2 You shall not cheat!
#3 You shall not break royal marriages!
#4 You ...

4. Thou shalt not attack thy neighbor without a casus belli, unless they have gold-producing provinces close by?
 

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You already received two heavy slabs of stone with various do´s and don´ts written on them? <http://www.europa-universalis.com/forums/wink.gif>

Not yet, but the local burning bush said they are in the mail =)
I'll get back to you when they arrive.

Anyway, I shure hope they don't include:
' Thou shalt never have the latest patch if thy version marked by Visionparks symbol be '


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Originally posted by Johan:
Huszics is right.. We did however fix scandinavia and some other places.

/Johan

Please oh mighty Johan, forgive this insurrection versus the greater powers of Eutopa Universalis. (the CG)

But...
Huszics is wrong.

We all thank you for the inclusion of northern europe and Australia, but in the BG the entire North and South America is colonisable.

And quite a few victory points for exploration available (north-america land route comes to mind...)

please do not excommunicate me....

#5 do not give geography lessons to thine worlds creators (even if playing the BG)



[This message has been edited by Arngrim (edited 30-01-2001).]
 

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Dam you Arngrim for bringing facts into the light. Will you confess that you where under the power of the Devil or do I need to call in the Inquisition.

Well, noticed I was wrong myself about the points you mentioned when looking at old EU maps, but I thought it didn't really matter as the tread was vanishing into the past without getting any more attention.
Anyway, the provinces that dissapeared really was crappy as far as income goes and wasn't really populated by whites at the time either, so removing probably was the right thing to do.
For those interested I'll put up some maps on my site for download.

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I have to add my opinion here. I apologise for the essay.

I really don't think the whole world should be playable.

I know that in the BG all of North and South America was colonisable. But I'm pretty sure that the Rockies were not casually travelled, let alone settled (even with TPs) during the period in question. Same goes for the Amazon. I don't think that they really should be in the CG.

Consider the difficulties of the first caravans along those difficult passages to California in the 1830's. Many didn't even make it, with half a century's technology more than that theoretically available in EU.

Travellers with late-20th century equipment still find the better part of Brazil inaccessible.

I suppose it is possible that these areas could have been traversed by Europeans in the 1700's. But colonised? Forget it.

The African interior is another good call for elimination. Until the advent of quinine in the 19th century, no European dared leave the shores to investigate the interior, for fear of dropping off due to malaria. Those foolish enough to try tended to ignore the warnings of the indigenous peoples and stumble into swamps en route to... wherever.

Himalayas? Gobi desert areas? Tibet / Western China? See Rockies. Increase difficulty of settlement by 100%.

Australian outback? I live in Sydney. Trust me, there is hardly anyone settled there even now.

Arabian peninsula? Even in the 19th century, the Europeans didn't investigate. Even today, the existing political boundaries between Oman, Saudi Arabia, UAE and Yemen are not perfectly defined, though they appear on most maps as though they were.

Alaska? Nice try. The Russians were there, that's true. But the game map goes far enough by allowing colonisation of the coastal areas north of what is today British Columbia. Virtually no chance of any European culture penetrating into the interior. It is a miracle that even the Russian will and constitution pushed the boundaries of the Empire as far east as it did.

No, there really isn't any way in which Europeans could have penetrated these areas in the timeframe we are dealing with.

Even if the cultures that lived in those areas would have been able to extend to meet the Europeans in their shore-based strongholds, one has to wonder: why include them? They can't be played effectively (since the EU engine does not allow for tech increases outside Europe), and there is no historically-based argument for the Europeans being able to reach them in their lands.

What are people after? French trading posts in Mali? The British sphere of influence in Tibet? Try EU 2: 1792 - 1914 (we all wish! Though I guess, you'd have to rename it to allow for the USA and Japan...).

History, or historicity. Something like what might have been.

EU limits players rather loosely, I think. But let's not get out of hand, here. I actually _don't_ want to see, say, a French colonial city in Colorado in 1650. That's the kind of thing that makes you say, 'Cool!' the first time.

But it's laughable every time after that.

Nelson

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Basically Admiral Nelson is right and the map is great. But as dedicated gamers we always look for marginal improvements. The question is what 'terra incognita' means? Not known or not colonizeable. What happened in Asia between China and and Byzanz was very well known to them. I think Lake Aral is not in the EU Map. But the area around that lake was inhabited and really well known. There were lots of smaller or larger Khanates on areas not seen in EU. I think the area between Astrachan and China could be a little more detailed. At 1500 the Mogols were still a potential danger for China. And in the area where the Mandchus came from (up to Ochotsk) there are only weak tribes in the game. Maybe there could be some minor nations that play a political role and are not easy prey for colonists.