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I can sort of feel the OPs pain. I fulfill the min reqs (only vid card is below recomended Reqs) and have constant stutter. 22hours abd only in the hundreth year XD. I think I am going to restart non-ironman and hope my willpower pulls me through.
 

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I feel like more than half of the game time is wasted on autosavings since about 1550s.

This was me this morning. I had just finished a long nasty war and was running on max speed to rebuild manpower and the treasury. I started counting and the time it took to get through a month was about 6 seconds and the time it took to get through an autosave was about 7 seconds.

What I don't understand is, last night I was playing the same game and right before I quit and went to bed my autosaves were running at about 3 seconds. I started up this morning and they were up to 7 and nothing had changed within the game.
 

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This was me this morning. I had just finished a long nasty war and was running on max speed to rebuild manpower and the treasury. I started counting and the time it took to get through a month was about 6 seconds and the time it took to get through an autosave was about 7 seconds.

What I don't understand is, last night I was playing the same game and right before I quit and went to bed my autosaves were running at about 3 seconds. I started up this morning and they were up to 7 and nothing had changed within the game.

Local internet upload speeds? It might be better if the saves were encrypted or something and put on your HD.
 

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Local internet upload speeds? It might be better if the saves were encrypted or something and put on your HD.

I don't think it would be my local speed. I'm on a 20mb cable connection but if I have trouble with it, it's usually in the evening during peak internet usage time in the neighborhood. I don't think there is much demand at 8:30 in the morning.

I was wondering if maybe steam does something in the morning on their end that could slow things down.
 

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I am also suffering from annoying stutter, I believe its because of a combination of steam cloud and monthly autosave.

In my opinion the saves should be kept on a local disk and transferred to the cloud only when you quit the game.

Also, the game should only save when you make a decision or quit the game, that way you can fast forward a bit.
 

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Considering the game already autosaves after every decision or major event, the monthly autosave does seem excessive. I think 6 months would be ok.

I was worried this would be a problem before it came out but so far my computer handles it pretty well, saves never take more than a second. Unlike in CKII, where saving takes several seconds for some reason.
 

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After 150 years saving takes about 5 seconds for me, rendering ironman completely unplayable when the absolute minimum of saves is 20 per year. I don't even care about the achievements, I just want a game mode without console and savescumming being too much effort to do it without thinking.
 

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I have no issues with the ironman mode but I do have an SSD disk. Paradox saves have always been big. Actually, fastest speed is too fast at ironman and one slower is too slow. I need a setting in between. Making the auto save interval too long would enable easy cheating but maybe they could compensate by autosaving at the most important actions like war.

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Even with SSD the game starts to lag after 1650 (30-40 MB saves). I kind of like the system, but I understand that autosaving every 10 seconds or so is a bit much in the late game (when all you're doing, basically, is trying to finish the game)
 

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I am also suffering from annoying stutter, I believe its because of a combination of steam cloud and monthly autosave.

In my opinion the saves should be kept on a local disk and transferred to the cloud only when you quit the game.

Also, the game should only save when you make a decision or quit the game, that way you can fast forward a bit.

The save is only uploaded to steam when you quit the game (as far as I can tell). I managed to speed up the game considerably by moving the steam install folder to SSD (my standard steam installation is on a USB drive).
 

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Why is it people always come on and make some snarky comment about either L2P or update your machine. My machine is fine, upgrading my gpu to a titan would cost $1k and would grant me nothing in this game. My CPU could be updated to some extent, but there's no reason to believe it will be beneficial overall for this game and if by chance it was, it would only be marginally so. When people say the problem isn't related to their PC, but to how the autosaving is handled, perhaps, just perhaps, they know what they're talking about.

I said changing it not to save would not be iron man.
Options are to either upgrade, where as you say yourself your CPU could be updated to some extent.
You could also get an SSD and put EU4 on it so the games save much faster.
Or don't play Ironman.

That isn't snarky and I didn't tell you to learn to play at all, those are the facts. Just because I do not jump on your bandwagon and scream "Hey take this mode that is entirely based around constant saves, and not make it save", Doesn't mean I am being snarky or insulting to you.

If its a problem for you, don't play Ironman, I have seen Paradox say the exact same thing several times, including this thread.

Personally I hope the mode stays exactly the same, with the saves made smaller or optimised to lessen the problems faced by some people.
 

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What if achievements were done that if the console was used for any command that achievements are disabled entirely on that save?

Because the biggest problem is save games.
If you can constantly reload wherever you want the human player becomes invincible and the achievements mean absolutely nothing anymore.

There is always regular mode if Ironman is a problem, they arn't wrecking anyones game.
Could use some streamlining to reduce the lag.
 

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I don't think it would be my local speed. I'm on a 20mb cable connection but if I have trouble with it, it's usually in the evening during peak internet usage time in the neighborhood. I don't think there is much demand at 8:30 in the morning.

I was wondering if maybe steam does something in the morning on their end that could slow things down.

Same issue again. I got home last night and started playing my save and the saves were back at 2 seconds or so. Saved and quit, went to bed, and then started playing this morning and saves were back at 7 seconds.

It would be really nice if we could get something from the developers on why I'm seeing such a large swing in save times.
 

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Because the biggest problem is save games.
If you can constantly reload wherever you want the human player becomes invincible and the achievements mean absolutely nothing anymore.

There is always regular mode if Ironman is a problem, they arn't wrecking anyones game.
Could use some streamlining to reduce the lag.
Thing is, they may be called achievements, but they really mean nothing in the end. Just a cute little popup in a game saying you did something mildly interesting. Many are not difficult (as in EUIV's securing a marriage, or winning a war). They're just something to give you to strive towards for an intangible reward.
 

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That is true, but some people like to play the game to the fullest. Like the Ryukyu achievement for instance. The greatest challenge and most likely impossible, but still an achievement is there and why people shouldn't try it?
 

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The save is only uploaded to steam when you quit the game (as far as I can tell). I managed to speed up the game considerably by moving the steam install folder to SSD (my standard steam installation is on a USB drive).

So the bottleneck is the write speed of disk.

My question again: Can the developers make the savings unblocking so the game can be autosaved without being paused? I know you may have to lock the data for saving, but perhaps you can make a replicate in memory first, which would be much faster.
 

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So if you can just force quit every time you get a comet sighted before your confirm the event, it seems all this crazy saving isn't even accomplishing what it is meant to.