Automatically ceding territory during war

[Vicar of Christ]

Soviets were guilty of bordergore so I had to declare war on them, as I'm taking territory some of the areas revert to Italy (a non-participating faction member), one of the soviet puppet turned into a democratic germany puppet (former nazi germany reformed after they lost) that is not in any faction and not participating in the war either.

what the heck is happening? Why ain't keeping custody of the areas... It's a pain because since Italy is not a war participant, I can't attack other soviet territory from Italy's land...

 

[marcelo r. r.]

Theres lot of scripted stuff on Yalta conference.

I don't recommend goes war immediately after it, theres lots of obscure germany partition scripts that will switch territories. Wait few months, to elaborate your plan to atack Soviet Union, or risk be caught in a weird border situations.

If you are on allies side, and have a medium or low warscore, i recommend grab Italy pieces.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

what the heck is happening? Why ain't keeping custody of the areas... It's a pain because since Italy is not a war participant, I can't attack other soviet territory from Italy's land...

territory occupied during a war then switching to other nations w/o troops taking it or the occupying nation having a say is not a respectable implementation, period.

the benefit of the doubt is that these interactions are bugged. these interactions have been in the game for coming up on 7 years now, so even this is pretty bad though.

there are other swap scripts than yalta, though now that you've been hit by the buggy junk "gotcha", maybe you can avoid it in the future. if you're not in ironman, fix it with console. if you're in ironman, you have been punished for a developer mistake rather than your own mistake. sucks, but that's how it is. ironman is a one way covenant. you can't fix things with console, but the game can still cheat you...and in hoi 4, it will unless you know the hidden interactions very well.

wrt italy: you will return territory if it was previously theirs. if they are receiving territory they don't have core or claim on, then this is also a bug (i have seen the latter in hoi 4 - german land with no french claim goes to france, who is not in the war and thus impossible for germany to retake...this is definitely bugged junk).

 

[DukofDeth]

There might be claims still active. I recall from my last game as Switzerland even after WW2 ended I had claims over all German states which mucked up my ability to conduct diplomacy post-war. I had taken some territory but not all so after the conference my claims should have been dropped - or perhaps I should have had the option granted to void my unsettled claims for the sake of peace.

 

[DukofDeth]

Honestly Bill I've yet to notice any spirits not working. I could say the Theater Training one for GBP but we all know that terrain trains take a long time to grind and I am still allergic to long seemingly pointless grinding.

 

[Vicar of Christ]

the soviet war started about 1 year after the german peace so I don't think it was a yalta script. Ownership just flipped as I was pushing the soviet out. The sad/funny thing is that the new czech german puppet is now justifying on me!!!!

 

[TheMeInTeam]

There might be claims still active. I recall from my last game as Switzerland even after WW2 ended I had claims over all German states which mucked up my ability to conduct diplomacy post-war. I had taken some territory but not all so after the conference my claims should have been dropped - or perhaps I should have had the option granted to void my unsettled claims for the sake of peace.

claims should only be relevant to occupations for participants in the war, however.

the soviet war started about 1 year after the german peace so I don't think it was a yalta script. Ownership just flipped as I was pushing the soviet out. The sad/funny thing is that the new czech german puppet is now justifying on me!!!!

yep, it's ridiculous cheating. i can't see how anybody could justify it as wad, but it also has been in the game for many years now, if not from release.

 

[Synicus]

Your probably better off not being in a faction during war time.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

Your probably better off not being in a faction during war time.

while true, numerous interactions that steal occupations can happen regardless of faction membership (including none).

on balance, faction membership is bad in sp, which says a lot considering how central of a game mechanic they are. there are some exceptions though, like using/taking over axis in some cheevo runs and kicking members out piecemeal to blow them up in rapid succession to finish off the wc-esque ones. collab puppets break peace deal score too, and ai doesn't do them other than germany's cheat freebies, thus you can rake in enormous % of factories in deal if you plan ahead.