When the Soviets attack the Axis and head west they seem to automatically puppet nations they conquer (ie. Hungary, Poland, Romania etc...) anything we can do about that if we would prefer to annex them?
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Seems to be script. All based on your timing, to be honest. Hit a country before they join the Axis, you're okay.
Yeah, thats a whole different issue, different playstyle. Maybe wargoals would work.
The only thing I can come up with is to tag SOV and set the wargoal yourself as soon as these nations are at war with SOV.
As i stated it doesnt help with Poland as they dont show up on the list, for all intensive purposes they dont exist until they are automatically formed into a puppet, and Vichy France you dont have the option to conquer, only free and puppet basically.
Feeling stupid: you can't add a wargoal because the USSR normally isnt at war with Germany.....
Also i was playing the Soviet Union, that was the point 
I didnt want to puppet Vichy or Poland...
I didnt want to puppet Vichy or Poland...A little gamey, but once you puppet poland, pull back and let germany reconquer them, then take out germany.
Not sure, just an idea.
Not sure, just an idea.
Declare war on the allies and add war goals as needed (btw conquer+inst. communism will kill the GIE chance).
Im not sure how that solves any of my issues. For one thing i dont want to go to war with the Allies at the same time as the Axis, not out of fear but it just wouldnt be realistic and it would be gamey. Secondly by the time I go to war with Germany Poland is already gone and Vichy France is formed.
What there needs to be in the next version is simply a wargoal conquer for both and not an auto puppet for Poland and a limited choice for Vichy France.
So tell me how on earth do you want to conquer an allied Poland instead of puppeting if you are not at war with them?? Being at war with the Allies and the Axis at the same time is gamey?? :blink: And yes my advice solves the problem, I have been there and done that.
Barros!!!!!!!!!!!Im talking post Barbarossa. Germany and the Soviets have divided Poland, for all game purposes they cease to exist. When Germany launches Barbarossa as the Soviets you can fire wargoals on everyone except for Poland as they do not show up in the list of Axis members. So when you re-conquer all of Poland you arent given any options, you simply get the message they have been puppeted. I think we should either get an automatic annexation, whereby we can puppet them later OR a decision asking us to annex or puppet. And Vich France the wargoals are Puppet or Free essentially, no wargoal to conquer. I think it makes sense for us to have that ability as well.
I know but It seems something went wrong in your particular game because IIRC the last time I played as the Soviets Poland was an allied GIE so I declared war on the Allies before taking Warsaw with the sole purpose of not puppeting Poland (I ended up occupying them until all majors in the faction were dead); I also added the conquer war goal followed by install communism to everyone I wanted to annex (the result was outright annexation). I think this can be seen in this episode but I am not sure if this is the one.
Im talking post Barbarossa. Germany and the Soviets have divided Poland, for all game purposes they cease to exist. When Germany launches Barbarossa as the Soviets you can fire wargoals on everyone except for Poland as they do not show up in the list of Axis members. So when you re-conquer all of Poland you arent given any options, you simply get the message they have been puppeted. I think we should either get an automatic annexation, whereby we can puppet them later OR a decision asking us to annex or puppet. And Vich France the wargoals are Puppet or Free essentially, no wargoal to conquer. I think it makes sense for us to have that ability as well.
Why would Poland show up in the list of Axis members, if they are in the Allies? You are not re-conquering Poland (since you are not at war with them in the first place), but liberating them.
Vichy France is hard-coded not to be conquered. When USA is at war with Axis, it will declare war on Vichy, and Germany will execute case Anton, and occupy Vichy, eliminating them.
I dont know what happened or if it isnt the norm (its been awhile since i paid attention to that detail). And if for example the Poles ended up a GIE for the allies, DOWiing them is one way of getting around it, but my point was i wanted to do so without DOWing the Allies. Now in my particular game without them being a GIE i would have liked the option as opposed to auto puppeting.
Ok, but why would they get puppeted automatically when i reconquer the territory? Why didnt they stay GIE or i get to annex them or at least have the option.
Thats not always the case and we arent even asked or offered options. And im not exactly liberating them if 1) they are in the Allies and 2) I end up puppeting them.
I understand the mechanics of the game, my argument is that it isnt consistent with the rest of the game. My point is as long as the territory doesnt or didnt belong to an ally you should have the option of annexing or puppeting and territory/nation you conquer. Because Poland (divided up between Germany & the Soviet Union) and Vichy France (formed by Germany) are such special cases it seems to me they simply were overlooked in this regard.