Austria's only Laissez-Faire-party?

[ComradeOm]

Concerning the population, I have to disagree. Maybe it's Revolutions or one of the hotfixes, but Austria's population in the important (read: dominated by a national culture and possessing good factories) provinces is rather low. Hungary (where there are no capitalists) and Bohemia are the exceptions. So while this would actually call for interventionalism early on, the fact that you have neither machine parts nor the pops to fill your factories (unless you take them from RGOs) makes laissez-faire more feasible.

There are still about 5-6 provinces with sizeable numbers of POPs that can be turned into industrial hubs. The nationality question actually provides you with a bonus in that you can fill your RGOs with non-nationals (Austria has plenty of both coal and Iron) while industrialising your German/Czech/Hungarian provinces to the max. Eventually you will want to construct factories in the Italian/Romanian/Slavic/Slovak provinces but this can wait until the mid to late game.

Furthermore, during the early years I rather use my money to promote capitalists in Hungary, which really helps later on.

But intervention means that you will be able to promote capis sooner and that their own rate of capital accumulation will be faster. It makes far more economic sense to expand two or three factories than immediately promote a single capi POP.

Of course horses for courses and all that. Just because I like intervention doesn't mean that it is necessarily the optimal strategy, or that there is even an optimal strategy

 

[RELee]

Of course horses for courses and all that. Just because I like intervention doesn't mean that it is necessarily the optimal strategy, or that there is even an optimal strategy

I would have picked you as a state_capitalism kind of guy.

 

[Dietmar1982]

...expand factories, which is something capis never seem to do.

In my most recent game, I had capis expanding several factories.
I don't remember the precise number but my guess would be between 5 or 10.
This was very late game though.

 

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There are still about 5-6 provinces with sizeable numbers of POPs that can be turned into industrial hubs. The nationality question actually provides you with a bonus in that you can fill your RGOs with non-nationals (Austria has plenty of both coal and Iron) while industrialising your German/Czech/Hungarian provinces to the max. Eventually you will want to construct factories in the Italian/Romanian/Slavic/Slovak provinces but this can wait until the mid to late game.

But intervention means that you will be able to promote capis sooner and that their own rate of capital accumulation will be faster. It makes far more economic sense to expand two or three factories than immediately promote a single capi POP.

Of course horses for courses and all that. Just because I like intervention doesn't mean that it is necessarily the optimal strategy, or that there is even an optimal strategy

I didn't know that interventionalism allowed you to promote capitalists sooner or that they earned more money that way. Actually I thought that laissez-faire had that effect, especially because of the 50% bonus to imports.

Expanding early on factories is only feasible in three states: Lombardia, Venezia and Bohemia. All the other states have few pops and you can't split those. So you would have to understaff the RGOs. But the biggest problem early on is the lack of machine parts. Unless your capitalists build something, your stuck.

Concerning your remark on nationalities: after having played for some time (this is my third game, mind you) I realized that farmers and laborers are far more prone to migration than craftmen and clerks. So it would maybe have been feasible to empty a few RGOs to expand factories and hope for Romanians or Slovaks to fill them up.

 

[Agenor]

Expanding early on factories is only feasible in three states: Lombardia, Venezia and Bohemia. All the other states have few pops and you can't split those.

I never take pops out of the Bohemian RGOs except for Karlsbad. They make much more profit than the factories once the clean coal techs fire.

 

[unmerged(63715)]

I never take pops out of the Bohemian RGOs except for Karlsbad. They make much more profit than the factories once the clean coal techs fire.

Bohemia is actually no problem, since there are enough and large pops. Expanding the steel factory once was no problem, after a while I could even expand it a second time. With a bit of immigration I was even able to fill another factory, a capitalist had built.

 

[Agenor]

Bohemia is actually no problem, since there are enough and large pops. Expanding the steel factory once was no problem, after a while I could even expand it a second time. With a bit of immigration I was even able to fill another factory, a capitalist had built.

Yes, you can, but you will make much more money if you leave them in the mines. Even leaving a pop in a level 2.5 productivity coal mine (in Austria) is more profitable than putting him in a luxury clothes factory, as I discovered in my present game. And all the Bohemian coal mines are much more productive than 2.5 - about 3.8 to 5, iirc.

 

[unmerged(63715)]

Yes, you can, but you will make much more money if you leave them in the mines. Even leaving a pop in a level 2.5 productivity coal mine (in Austria) is more profitable than putting him in a luxury clothes factory, as I discovered in my present game. And all the Bohemian coal mines are much more productive than 2.5 - about 3.8 to 5, iirc.

Thanks for the hint. I'll look into this. Maybe I'll have to do some rearrangements after all.

 

[Agenor]

Another RGO not to take people out of is the sheep farm in Oradea. I converted a Romanian pop to a craftsman and the RGO lost £5 in profit, but the factory only gained about £1 in profit.

I love the Federated Great Proprietors Party - it has full citizenship and lets you put all those Polish and Ukrainian pops into the army and the Romanians and Italians into factories.