Austria's Industry

[Phalanxia]

The main problem is too much assimilation in the game. There was almost no assimilation irl in the Austrian Empire or the Ottoman Empire and the game doesn't take that into account. There needs to be a nationalism modifier that lowers chances of assimilation hugely if pops live in a home province of their home country(Croatians in Croatia, Serbs in Slovenia, Bosnians in Bosnia etc.).

Yep, this would be ideal. Playing as Austria atm, most of the Hapsburg Empire is populated by Germans, and its only 1880. However, it's also the case that loads of my non-Germans have gone walkies - I have large Czech populations in Croatia, loads of Slovaks in Tirol and a big bunch of Hungarians in Lombardia. Also, the Polish seem to have died out in Europe

The other problem is that the chance of demotion is too high. That's why you see Austria shooting up in industry after a war because unemployed farmers/laborers demoted to craftsmen in occupied provinces. Social mobility wasn't that high in Austria at the time. If you were a farmer(aka serf) you couldn't just get up and move to a city or town and get a factory job. There were political forces keeping you from leaving the countryside and forces keeping you out of the cities. You pretty much had to deal with what you were born into.

I wonder if plurality could have a effect upon this.

austria wasnt ever an industrial powerhouse in any period there armies were always seen as backward n behind by the western powers theres no way they should be able to compete with them ...... if anything holland was seen as a much bigger player at the time....... austria should be struggling to get in the top 8 never mind second in most games........ what wars did they win in the period none absoulutly none........ the ottomans prussia n italy should all be bulling austria in this period..... germany on the otherhand became an industrial powerhouse.... but only near end game

lol

 

[stnikolauswagne]

austria wasnt ever an industrial powerhouse in any period there armies were always seen as backward n behind by the western powers theres no way they should be able to compete with them ...... if anything holland was seen as a much bigger player at the time....... austria should be struggling to get in the top 8 never mind second in most games........ what wars did they win in the period none absoulutly none........ the ottomans prussia n italy should all be bulling austria in this period..... germany on the otherhand became an industrial powerhouse.... but only near end game

Still Austria and later on Austria-Hungary was included in the pentarchy of european Great Powers albeit as the most troubled of them. They also did not lose all that many wars in the time period, sure, the Prusso-Austrian war was lost very quicly, but so was the Prusso-Franco war a little bit after that. Getting steamrolled by Prussia/the NGF was no sign of a very weak army but rather a sign of a strong Prussia.
I dont want to say that they somehow where not doomed to fail, but they certainly were not as weak as you make them up to be, in gameterms of the world they probably were #6 at least until the Russo-Japanese war, at which point they MIGHT be overtaken by Japan. Its not like Italy was a real powerhouse at that point either.

 

[Beagá]

Yep, this would be ideal. Playing as Austria atm, most of the Hapsburg Empire is populated by Germans, and its only 1880. However, it's also the case that loads of my non-Germans have gone walkies - I have large Czech populations in Croatia, loads of Slovaks in Tirol and a big bunch of Hungarians in Lombardia. Also, the Polish seem to have died out in Europe

Internal migration needs to be looked into. Isn´t all that POP shuffling a reason why POPs are assimilated so much? At least in PDM, if a POP was a state where it was accepted/primary culture (for example, polish POP in a polish core) it was VERY difficult to make it assimilate, and therefore as soon as POP leaves that area, BANG assimilation.

I think perhaps infrastructure and steamer research could be considered in the chance for a POP to migrate - after all, cheaper land and sea transport did aid migration a bit.