Starting a new game in 1.23 has Austria starting off with a measly 16K troops and 14K manpower, far less than what it used to start with. Is this intentional?
Austria Nerf
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I just booted up the game an you can just forget everything i said.
Seems like austria starts like any other nation now and have to build up their army from the start now. Atleast they're still emperor.
Seems like austria starts like any other nation now and have to build up their army from the start now. Atleast they're still emperor.
FL and Max Manpower is still there. It just looks like a nerf to stop any steamrolling in the first few years.
Literally just downloaded the patch and started as Austria. Started with 16k tropps and ~13k manpower... but the maximum values have been kept. Ottomans also start with "just" 28k troops and ~12k manpower.
I'd wager this is something intentional with the starting troops in the whole game. I don't remember seeing anything in the patchnotes about it, though.
I'd wager this is something intentional with the starting troops in the whole game. I don't remember seeing anything in the patchnotes about it, though.
Thats a pretty big change to not be included in the patch notes, was it mentioned to be intentional?
They don't mention these things usually. Huge nerf for Austria, getting the two unions, BI and Shadow Kingdom will probably require a few loans now.
However this seems about what the Ottomans had. Maybe a bit less manpower, but I'm pretty sure they had 28k.
However this seems about what the Ottomans had. Maybe a bit less manpower, but I'm pretty sure they had 28k.
Yeah, was a big surprise to me too. I've been refining my Austria strategy for the last six months and now my starting game is completely different. No more Blitzing Venice/Ferrara/Papal State before 1460. 
@DDRJake could you pls confirm if this is WAD or a bug?
If this is not a bug it is a stupid change austria need his strong army in the beginning to defend the HRE and in MP so that no one grow to powerfull in the early game.
If this is not a bug it is a stupid change austria need his strong army in the beginning to defend the HRE and in MP so that no one grow to powerfull in the early game.
There were indeed some changes to startup army sizes, income etc made so that Austria and Ashikaga were not juggernauts in 1444.
Since there's no army contribution feature for HRE in game, shouldn't massive army Austria have in earlier version suppose to represent the imperial army of HRE not just local forces of Austria?
They still have the FL, they just have to build it so they lose time/money. I personally welcome the change, it was far too easy to have the perfect start on the recent patches, now going to war vs Bohemia, Hungary, Venice, Burgundy and the Papal State in 40 years will actually require skill.
sure but we are talking 80k manpower less. In SP this could be good but in MP were you NEED this do defend the HRE from all sits you have to watch that the otto do not kill the mamluks that france do not grow to strong and that poland and Russia kill each other
I would have sworn that this was in the notes a patch or two ago but I never play Austria so I wouldn't have noticed.
Interesting change. Personally I support changes that require players to ramp up their power rather than instantly start steamrolling significant neighbors.
In this instance, can Austria still at least defend the HRE at the start of the game by immediately building a web of alliances?
In this instance, can Austria still at least defend the HRE at the start of the game by immediately building a web of alliances?
Not sure how I feel about the nerf... Austria already struggled to be competitive with the other powers and I don’t see this helping against a combined Franco-Turkish alliance
Are the unions still just as rare?
Are the unions still just as rare?
Time will tell. Austria got a lucky PU over Milan and later it snagged Hungary in my game, so its chewing its way through Italy. Might even see it negate the shadow kingdom without my help.
would have been nice to know about this beforehand. Why don't you guys just make every country start with 10k troops and the same dev since apparently we need to keep balancing the game for multiplayer that no one plays.