Austria loves me...Austria hates me...Austria lovs me...

[Paddymorrow@blu]

Hoping for some advice on my current ironman Venice game. Built up my relations to get into the HRE, alliance with Austria, who helped me release Croatian cores from Hungary, then out of the blue, breaks alliance (probably because Burgundy stomped all over them in the next war). Ok 5 years later able to ally Austria again, 6 months later they break alliance again(Austria is not at war). How can Austria's diplomatic attitude towards me switch from friendly, to neutral to hostile within 10 years. I have no claims on any of their cores, and they don't have any on mine. However they do have a Conquest CB on my vassal Croatia. Because of Austria's desire for Varaso they break alliance with me, and view me as hostile? Seems a bit over the top to me.

 

[heroforhirerob]

As Venice, Austria is never going to be your friend....at least not on a permanent basis. use them as best you can, but prepare for the storm. They WILL turn on you. This is so likely I'd even consider allying with the Turks.

 

[Kraxis]

Hoping for some advice on my current ironman Venice game. Built up my relations to get into the HRE, alliance with Austria, who helped me release Croatian cores from Hungary, then out of the blue, breaks alliance (probably because Burgundy stomped all over them in the next war). Ok 5 years later able to ally Austria again, 6 months later they break alliance again(Austria is not at war). How can Austria's diplomatic attitude towards me switch from friendly, to neutral to hostile within 10 years. I have no claims on any of their cores, and they don't have any on mine. However they do have a Conquest CB on my vassal Croatia. Because of Austria's desire for Varaso they break alliance with me, and view me as hostile? Seems a bit over the top to me.

Great Power fluctuations are probably playing in here. How big is your next biggest ally?

 

[Dakilla TM]

As Venice, Austria is never going to be your friend....at least not on a permanent basis. use them as best you can, but prepare for the storm. They WILL turn on you. This is so likely I'd even consider allying with the Turks.

France or Spain is a good ally. assuming Spain controls southern Italy. I wouldn't befriend the Turk, as in my Venice game, I essentially ate the kebab alive and expanded into the Middle East. France is a good choice, regional powers like Bohemia or Poland can also keep Austria in check.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

France or Spain is a good ally. assuming Spain controls southern Italy. I wouldn't befriend the Turk, as in my Venice game, I essentially ate the kebab alive and expanded into the Middle East. France is a good choice, regional powers like Bohemia or Poland can also keep Austria in check.

If Hungary doesn't go PU, they're good. Lithuania can be very helpful, as can Poland and of course France.

In my Bavaria test run I couldn't get France though (great power nonsense), but a coalition involving Austria + half the HRE lost handily to just me + Hungary + Teutonic Order.

IF Venice can ally the Ottomans temporarily, it's not a bad draw. They're absurdly good in the tech 5 area. Just dump them later when you want to take them out. Heck, draggin them into European wars is a best case scenario since expanding that way is enormously inefficient and difficult for them. They're not the easiest allies to pull ever though.

Canceled loans or dishonored call can get Venice a foothold in a lot of places.

 

[fleetothemoon]

Great Power fluctuations are probably playing in here.

Probably this^

 

[Wildcat_PL]

In my opionion there must be some relation in basetax/coutry size/military power.