Is this new???
If so I can't wait to start a new game as Venice. So much space for activities.
If so I can't wait to start a new game as Venice. So much space for activities.
Austria and Venice.... friends?
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Even before that modifier, if you improved relations, stored up money, guaranteed them + allied them you'd get this:
Religion: +25
Ally: +50
Improved relations: +100
Guaranteed: +10
Rival of rival (do this and improved relations day 0): +20
That would stick you at a solid +205; even with some border friction to offset that you could gift ---> join empire as long as you were fast, sometimes w/o gift.
With +25 it's easier than ever...though they'll still probably turn hostile eventually. Once you're in HRE though, you can cause lots of problems with Venice
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Religion: +25
Ally: +50
Improved relations: +100
Guaranteed: +10
Rival of rival (do this and improved relations day 0): +20
That would stick you at a solid +205; even with some border friction to offset that you could gift ---> join empire as long as you were fast, sometimes w/o gift.
With +25 it's easier than ever...though they'll still probably turn hostile eventually. Once you're in HRE though, you can cause lots of problems with Venice
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Yeah, this is what makes Venice OP. They may get Austria to DOW on them if they attack HRE states but it doesn't have a lasting effect since they usually ignore each other afterwards.
It's also the thing that makes Albania pretty much impossible to play, since now not only do you have to worry about Otto war, but Venice will DOW you halfway through, essentially making your treaty only worth 2.5 years, max (Serbia may DOW in that timeframe making it even shorter).
It's also the thing that makes Albania pretty much impossible to play, since now not only do you have to worry about Otto war, but Venice will DOW you halfway through, essentially making your treaty only worth 2.5 years, max (Serbia may DOW in that timeframe making it even shorter).
It's actually the other way and only one-way. Venice's opinion of Austria is historical friend but Austria's opinion of Venice does not have that modifier. That means Venice loves Austria but Austria usually hates Venice, especially after they get the "Our Claims to Italy" mission.
Venice also tends to ally France, which means they will hate each other. Then Austria kills them with the Imperial Ban CB.
Then I'm not entirely sure. Maybe it motivates Venice to put more into improving relations with Austria or something.
Even before that modifier, if you improved relations, stored up money, guaranteed them + allied them you'd get this:
Religion: +25
Ally: +50
Improved relations: +100
Guaranteed: +10
Rival of rival (do this and improved relations day 0): +20
That would stick you at a solid +205; even with some border friction to offset that you could gift ---> join empire as long as you were fast, sometimes w/o gift.
With +25 it's easier than ever...though they'll still probably turn hostile eventually. Once you're in HRE though, you can cause lots of problems with Venice
Join the HRE? As Venice? How? The button to join the HRE is greyed out because the nation is "simply too big" to join the HRE. At least thats what it always says in my venice games :O
As a player, it's imperative to get into the empire before Austria gets that mission. If you do so and ally France, you can really drum up some shenanigans using the tech 5 break point, even if Austria gets Burgundy.
Of course, Venice is a great colonial choice too, if you conquer Connaught. They like any other republic can get the requisite 3 ideas and tech 7 with blazing speed, to the point where a human doing this will out-colonize AI Portugal and then some (open exploration to 3, dip 7, exploration to 2nd colonsit, expansion for 3rd). Exploration + expansion is a nice mix of diprep, a 4th merchant, 3 colonists, max colonist growth rate, and #relations. These things are all great; you can generally pull other useful allies beyond France like Bohemia, Hungary, Poland, etc. As soon as you start feeding Styria its cores as your vassal, you can effectively neutralize Austria forever. Also keep in mind Austria's navy sucks fiercely, and that they can't reach Venice, so you can pick between camping your mountains or hiding in Venice until Austria goes over to fight France.
Venice's ideas are well-suited to naval dominance of the Mediterranean. While this might not be a straightforward colonial option, against the AI it's great. If you out-colonize it and toss some units over there ahead of time, the eventual colonial war will force the AI to pick between landing in the new world at a severe disadvantage or trying to challenge your navy in the Mediterranean to reach you. If it's Castille/Spain, you can even blockade them
. Heck, you could probably blockade ENGLAND with the 1.5 mechanics, since they'll boat into your area and get stack wiped, and dozens of galleys > no ships at all after that :/.And if Austria doesn't inherit Burgundy? It's even easier; just use a military break point like tech 5 + someone like Bohemia or Hungary and pile on them. Venice has it easy.
Venice joining HRE??? How?
I've played many Venice games, to the point where I took over Constantinople in one of them and became Italy in another but I was never able to join the HRE right at the start because my nation is too big.
I've played many Venice games, to the point where I took over Constantinople in one of them and became Italy in another but I was never able to join the HRE right at the start because my nation is too big.
Sell one of your provinces. I think Naxos will take Crete, but I'm not entirely sure. One province less should make you small enough so with about +190 relations, you'll be able to join.
You need to improve relations with Austria. Also, they won't let you in if your base tax is too large. I believe releasing Crete as a vassal and then getting max relations with Austria is enough to join the HRE, but you may also have to release Croatia as a vassal too, but I'm not sure on that.
Good point, sadly I can't see a way of doing that without either going over the diplo limit, not expanding until you ate Corfu or Naxos, or not guarantee yourself a strong alliance which is very dangerous.
I will try after I'm done with this Austria playthrough. Venice is very fun. I just wish Republics had a better election system.
Not sure how I feel about this. Austria grabbing Venetian lands is historical in a roundabout way, and I always like having strong powers to fight. Poland and Hungary not being friends on the other hand strikes me as annoying.
Croatia is great to release because you can feed them cores. Yes, releasing a vassal or so will let you join the empire and that is well worth it.
Keep in mind that you can also release Byzantium after the Ottomans kill them, which opens up some lulzy stuff because Venice can put up an impressive navy, and that's a lot of good land to vassal feed.
I can't emphasize the colonial game enough though. It's unintended and wonky, but extremely powerful and Venice can get there much faster than England in single player, while being a member of the empire to boot. We're talking a hard lockdown of nearly all of NA while camping on an alliance with France...and it's not like they can ship forces to you directly.
Keep in mind that you can also release Byzantium after the Ottomans kill them, which opens up some lulzy stuff because Venice can put up an impressive navy, and that's a lot of good land to vassal feed.
I can't emphasize the colonial game enough though. It's unintended and wonky, but extremely powerful and Venice can get there much faster than England in single player, while being a member of the empire to boot. We're talking a hard lockdown of nearly all of NA while camping on an alliance with France...and it's not like they can ship forces to you directly.