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Your suggestions for rules sound very restrictive. "Japan will have China", what if Japan doesnt want it? Maybe Japan wants to wage war on SU, in which case USA would have to enter the war also-"When Japan enters war USA also enters". "No Japan attacking UK,as well as Italy and Germany", what does this mean? I assume this means combined attacks on the British Isles and not UK holdings in Asia.

Also what happens if Coslovakiazech chooses war instead of conceding territory?Or Germany doesnt want Poland and wants to leave it as a buffer against a SU attack?

I agree with the Monroe Doc, and combined attacks on British Isles, this is historical. The rest might not be historical but most of it was possible. In fact Japan was in minor war with SU in the 30's.

I'm just wondering why you would place so many restrictions on a game that is suppose to be about, what if events?

Of course I agree with no exploits and such.

 

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In case you need another player for your today game ICQ me at 223270233 nick Tomar

 

[mike8472]

Well omni got caught out tonight. He uses more exploits then what he admits. He uses an expoit where he places US comcumer goods at half and his disent only increases by 0.01, and then stops at 2 percent. This gives the US a war economiy from the very start of the game. So Us would have every tech by 1941. Ruined 10 hours of playing for 5 other players, in our group. So omni is now banned.

We have also found out that he used this exploit in our previous game as germany. He smashed the USSR, he fought well to hold him for for around a year. So he had to cheat in order to beat us. I feel sorry for jh who waited so long to finaly fight as the USSR and then was cheated out of a good fight. What a waste of time.

PLease do not play omni if you wish to have a good fair game. If you want to use exploits and cheat play him.

 

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Originally posted by Omni
I'll admitt that I do overuse some exploits. However, the days of sending exp forces for supply are way gone. The only exploits that I use now are convoys, which is unfair yes, and getting other players to scout for me (which I am sure everyone uses).

Sending troops to china is not an exploit.

Lol, relax, I'm not an encyclopedia on exploits, I've just picked up a few hints from other players as I've been playing. Still getting used to playing with set rules.

its hard to make rules and very easy to question them. rules wouldn't be need if there were not so many exploits.

 

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The above msg was for davo i made a mistake i posting the wrong thing

 

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Well, tonights session had some controversial events as this forum bears witness to, however if nothing else can be said, we did all show up on time

The next session is at 9:00PM Aest on Monday. It's my feeling that we can play on with the game, as despite the problems with the USA now being in an unrealistically strong position, I'd hate to think we'd wasted all that game time.

For my vote I'd say the call is Major Ball's. As the UK player he has the most to lose without a US player, whereas as the Japanese player it'll be hard to keep myself honest against the AI

If the consensus is to start a new game, then, much as I'd love to finally play my prefered nation - the SU, I understand if jh wants to play them once in a game where unfair elements don't contribute to the flow of the game.

 

[mike8472]

I think we can continue. We can have some restrictions to help balance the game again so as the UK dosnt get hammered out of the game to early. I will not launch a sealion invansion until may of 1940, thats if i was ever planning on of course.

I will also come to anagreement with the USSR on how to best make up for the MR pact stuffing up. We should also make it the Japs cant attack the USSR until something like late 42 or early 43 to give them time to focus on Germany.
Also Japan dosnt enter war until dec 1941, this will also help UK prepared defences.

If anything should be interesting fighting the US that is so strong already.

What does everyone else think of these ideas.

P.S Ive siad my piece about omni, and im glad hes is gone after what joel discovered in both games. Im looking forward to a good game, and some good fun with my honest mates. Cyas tonight 9pm

 

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Originally posted by mike8472
...an exlpoit where he places US consumer goods at half and his dissent only increases by 0.01, and then stops at 2 percent.

I don't understand. Half of what? How is this exploit supposed to work? If I try setting US CG to 50% of what's wanted or to half the IC total then I get a lot more dissent than what you say.

Andrew

 

[Majorball]

We all have lots to lose by not having a USA player. In my oponion this game is finished. I have another guy hopefully coming tonight. Top guy and no attitudes. I vote we start a new game. All house rules are set in place..any other problems crop up we call a team vote. These problems posted on the forum make us look a bit stupid so I think its better if no one replies to any more posts that attack other guys. Just ignore them. No response is required.
I have also posted on the forum questions regarding event codes and lowering war entry in case guys make mistakes. I suggest we give Joel Russia and the rest can fight for what they want. I dont mind the UK.
Regular saves during a month by the host in different saves slots will also help in restarting a game if a problem arises.
I am able to host games also and I have a very fast connection.
See you guys tonight.

 

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If you have space in your group I'd love to join. Haven't played MP since 1.04 because of work and stuff, but I'm very familiar with 1.05c.

 

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Originally posted by Omni
...they are just a bunch of noobs...

Perhaps you can explain it then. In another thread, you say "For EVERY game that I play, I ALWAYS have cg IC about half way. For EVERY game that I play, if the save is loaded, the IC distribution will look identical, because my strategy DOES NOT change for ANY country that I play.". This doesn't make any sense to me either. Why would you set Germany's CG to be the same as the USA? The demand for CG in the USA is initially much greater than that elsewhere.

Andrew

 

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Originally posted by Omni
What I meant is that in every game I always have ic about half way every now and then to free up ic. Not that I have Germany's cg the same as the USA.

There's a screen shot over in the player's association which is alleged to be from your position in one game. The supplies are set to zero but that's no big deal because there's over 10k in stockpile - I often do that myself. What I'm not getting is how you can have the CG set to zero and not get crippling dissent. Why would you set CG below the level of "need"? You may free up some IC in the short term but would have to pay for it later. Are you taking advantage of dissent-reducing events or what?

Andrew

 

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There's a screen shot over in the player's association .... Are you taking advantage of dissent-reducing events or what?

Whilst you may be curious about this reddawn, can I ask you work this out in another thread? I have no issue in it being discussed, just wanna keep this thread focused on the current Australian MP groups game.

Tonights game saw us start a new session - and at a steady pace we played through til Jan 37. As rastius is unable to make the Thursday session, I have asked Hitolf (who showed up earlier tonight) to join and play USA.

For everyones info, I am saving games 3 times every year aside from the normal monthly autosave. Hopefully this should mean that if any events don't fire we can always fix them easily.

 

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Originally posted by joel
Whilst you may be curious about this reddawn, can I ask you work this out in another thread? I have no issue in it being discussed, just wanna keep this thread focused on the current Australian MP groups game.

Unfortunately the two threads which you Aussies started about exploits were closed by the moderator because they turned into a slanging match. This leaves the central issue unresolved, IMO. It's no good forbidding "the consumer goods exploit" when it's not clear what that is. I just want someone to explain what you're talking about, please. While I'm not in Australia myself, I'm sure the issue is of interest to all MP groups.

Andrew

 

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Understood reddawn.

I'll explain breifly (and can people pls make comments about this elsewhere).

This is something I have verified in 4 different saves, which when viewed and played on show the same issue. This appears to only be present in MP games.

Essentially a player had his CG slider set to just over 1/2 of the required amount. Generally you would expect this to subsequently increase dissent until such a 'strategy' was no longer viable. However when set at 1/2 of the CG needs, the dissent actually rises to 2, and no higher. Subsequently, nations with high CG needs such as (but not only) the USA and SU are able to gain many, many IC's that would normally not be available, at an unrealistically early date. The 2 dissent is of little consequence compared to the major gains made by using these IC's for tech and unit building.

In the game that this came up in, the US player was on track to have researched all available tech's by 41. This was in addition to having a very, very large army.

This only appears to be an MP issue, as the dissent increases as it should in SP.

Hope that answers your question.

 

[jgbaxter]

For the record in 3 saves that Overlord and I checked and 2 saves I checked Omni had 0 CG and 0 Supplies. So that's 5 times, quite a miracle that he says this is only the case during a save.

 

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Hey, am I still allowed to play in your Tursday game?