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Interesting point major. Well as the UK and playing this game for so long, you learn to react qucikly. But it is always a problem with the UK and the amount of areas you have to watch.

The reason joel is against Tactical pauseing is becasue the real commanders or leaders did not have the ability to pause time and reorganise all there defences. So if your attack is succesful then taciacl pausing works against you in giving the defences time to regroup, when in reality it should not have happened. Its the same for air attacks, if you have see an ememy squadron flging somewhere you should not pause and then launch a group to intercept. The reason for this is to allow the game to proceed at a normal pace, should be slow now that nearly every one is fighting. If every player was pausing every time they had arial battles or launching them, then the game would be extremly slow and nearly unplayable.

If the group decides there needs to be a compromoise due to the large nature of the game we play now, in terms of area and amount of units. Maybe we should agree that tactical pauses can only be used in certain areas. Eg, i would suggest after naval battles so that you can reorgansie your fleet abd ship are hard to replace and could runin the game. After land battles should be ok as well due to the amount of units involved but keep it limitied. For air combat is say no pausing what so ever, no need for it. If you pause every time for tactical bombing, intercepts, naval bombing then the game would not be worth playing. Also tactical pausing for techs or muiltple promts and events i fine in my books.

Now another issue which joels does not realise much becuase he is the host. It is always a problem when you need to co-ordinate your attacks, there is always a little bit of lag, so you MUST pasue to synconise your attacks properly. Omni was complaining about lag with his airforce, i too have experienced this game with airbattles but mainly on a higher speed, where i lost whole groups due to game speed. So limited pauses i think is the best option.

Also what was the issue last night between omni and joel, regarding some air exploit. Can yous plz explain this to the rest of the group so all parties can avoid this. You two should also avoid using it, you have waited this long for the war dont runin it with exploits.
 
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When your orders have a delay of 3 seconds, you have to pause. That 3 seconds can mean an entire division gone, or a plane gone. The host's orders are instant, and I think this has given Joel some misconceptions regarding tactical pauses.
 

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Tactical pauses are silly - slow it down now as war is on and let the game flow.

Mike you are fine in his medium - all conciliatory and warm . lBut ast night you abused the shit out of me for msg u and I would have to be one of the least msg chatters in the game! To everyones notice I was a 'self rightous bastard' , 'stick up your arse' and 'fuck off".

Why because Mike did not have one div air, land or sea east of kuwait - not a coolie with a rifle in all of india! Not a jelly bean in Singapore! Zippo.

So I raised it in pchat- as i have been urged by Mike to do - after so many situations before eg Ethiopia, Poland, stacking etc. This is the point mike - You dont have to do that gamey stuff to win.

Id pose the question then - Seriuosly now - why have a rule about axis home countries retaining a proportion of troops or Germany defending with certain tps or certain nationality on the west wall? Same argument Mike???

If its a free for all - as you vehemently argued - the why should joel be constrained by such rules? Same old story...

Once again I am sure you will abuse and dismiss....

When/ if u reply make sure u refer to the rules about placement that refer to others....
 

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Hmm IQ must have dropped since i left WA.

The rules are for everyone, hence why i must also leave 1/3 of my minors in there own countries and theaters. And for the record i was only controling Canada, i left australia, south africa, New Zealand AI to keep it fair so there forces are all over the place. I only took control once the situation was becomming very dangerous.

On the point of me defending India, or the far east. I will defend my land anyway i see fit, this is not a minor or a puppet or my allie that i control there military. I will defend my empire and the country that im playing the best way i see. I have always planned to have troops in india, and there were 12 divisions in india until i needed them for turkey, and there are now presently forces in india in increasing numbers as well soon to arrive fleets and airpower.

You make the reference to Germany and limits on there forces, ok well in reality the Germans had 1.5 million men in the west while fighting the USSR, plus over 1500 aircraft and 1000 Tanks. How many of them do you think Joel currently had in the France or the Western countries. For game reasons this would equal nearly 150 infantry divisons, plus 10 amroued divisions, and 15 squadrons. Also i hope your defending your border with mexico JH. Hmm wonder if the USSR has troops protecting its entire long border with Japan as it did in real life. Im sure all these things are not happening as this is a game and each nation can defend and move there OWN troops to where they see fit. It is only when you control a minor or allie that you should keep forces in realistic areas to serve that countries best interests.

Currently my best interests are being served by trying to hold Africa and the ME, which is looking like being lost possibly. If i dont defend india properly then game mechancis will make me pay, when japan invades it. So be it, i cannot defend everywhere with my limited IC and manpower. But in any event Jh my forces would not be able to be viewed by you anyway as i would never keep them on the coast and would only move forces to singapore close to war so the Japs would not be able to see my disposition of forces in india or anywhere else. But thanks, for revealing to our enemies my plans.

Yes i did give you a mouthful JH, just like you have so many times to me. Its not that you asked me questions but when you ask or TOLD me how i should be playing, when im fighting for my life for the last 2 1/2 years. If i had done what you said JH the italians would now already be in india and probably south africa. Then you would all be complaining on how overpowered the Italians are now with tech sharing from germany and how its runined the game. But in fact ive had one of the best games with huge amounts of battles and tactical manouvering, its been great. Even if i lose the ME and Africa it has been fun. Oh and JH why do you think i was buiilding so many carriers and Cags, just to use against the weak italian navy or maybe, just mabye if you put more then 2 seconds thought into it before opening your mouth. That most of those carriers might be intended to be used against Japan defending my vast empire.

And just for the record. In this game the UK has.

1. Built no forts or AA anywhere much to its own disadavantage.
2. Deployed all units out of the UK directly before start of the war ( i did not deploy straight to india as allowed in the rules. Italy did not follow this rule and deployed 30+ divisions directly into Libya over a peroid of time, while i shipped units all over the globe.
3. Italy also repaired ships in port that i had trapped there. (minor issue but annoying)
4. Due to your constant complaints about the speed of the game i have lost 12+ cags and 4 Fighters due game speed and lag, as well as many other minor ships losses.
5. I did not take control of the my CW minors until early 1941 except canada. This might give you an idea of the preasure the UK is under.

So yes Jh if you wish im playing gamey, but what isnt gamey in your eyes? You want the perfect game when this game is far from perfect and will never be. Is it gamey that Italy has 70-80 Divisions made up of Italian/German/Turkish forces pushing on me from all directions when in reality it was at most 25 Italian divisions in Africa or the ME. So if the Italians have this many forces then it would be reasonable to asume i would need near equal forces to hold them. Hmm now where do i get these forces from, ah yes i click my magic finger and they appear out of thin air. But of course Jh im gamey becuase all im trying to do is defend my empire with about the same forces being used to take it.

Your logic is flawed.
 

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On the topic of tactical pauses...you cant tell me that the enemy wouldnt know planes were flying towards a particular target. Why should the battle be over before you get a chance to react. After all we are looking after an entire countries airforce,navy and land forces. What are we meant to do? scroll around the map and find a stack has dissappeared? whats the big deal if your opponent reacts by sending in planes as well. I am dam sure he would know a battle was on. The thing with this game is you can only see a small area of the map at a time.MIKE... Just imagine the Japs attacking you as well. I am sure you will need pauses while you are setting up attacks. You wouldnt want to be setting up a battle than suddenly an area of the map you cant see is under attack. JH can make any comment he wants to. Its easy for him because the USA is not at war. Wait till he is getting hit from all directions in europe and the pacific. The pause button will be his favourite button. In real life we had radar and intelligence. This game is hard enough to play without being rushed and missing something important.
 

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I agree with you major. I dont see a huge issue with it as long as pauses are kept to a minium. Maybe its time to put this is to a group vote. To allow Tactical pauses.
 

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I am fine to allow tactical pauses - as long as we are all fighting on the same level playing field. My objection to Husayn's constant pausing in game was based on the fact that he had constantly complained at any pausing prior to him coming into the war. We need one rule applied fairly to everyone. The other is that he was going fine without pausing right up to the moment when he started getting under the Kosh from my air. It's a reasonable point that I am not aware to the level of lag as host however, so perhaps I was exagerating the significane of the pausing, and I am happy to accept this.

In regards to the other issues JH advised of I have sympathy for both sides. here. Whilst mikes comments about the large numbers of Italian divisions are correct here, the same can be said of British divisions. No player, be they playing UK or Italy, will place a historical number of divisions in Africa. If they did, they'd be steamrolled. I think if mike decides to leave India undefended it is probably not something I'd do, but then, I'm not playing the UK.

Overall though, getting back to the game, I was pretty happy with the last session. Getting to fall of 41 was nice, and the battles between the Soviets and myself have been enjoyable, if not the triumphs Husayn has apparently trumpeted them as to his allies ;)

I think Husayn probably has a slight advantage in the east, but whatever happens, I don't think we'll see a rapid collapse on either side. Looking forward to a longer than normal campaign in the east.
 

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Well im sure Major Ball and Jh will be happy to hear that, a longer game in the east would be very welcome.

As for the troops in the ME, or Africa it is simple the allies or axis must match the other side or close to it in numbers or face defeat. I will pull thoses troops from where ever i have to. It would be the same if the UK home islands where under direct threat, i would have most of my forces there.

I agree with joel, asl ong as we are all on the same level with tactical pauses there should be no problems.
 

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Last session got us through til November 1941.

The USA and Japan both sit back, eyeing each other uneasily as tensions mount in the Pacific.

Italy meanwhile has finally met with success in Africa and the Middle East. After a series of battles in Syria and Northern Iraq, the British defenses crumbled, leading to the complete occupation of Syria, Lebanon and Iraq. In Egypt, the Italian forces pushed the British back to Al Alamein. Time will tell if the UK can hold onto this region around the Suez canal, however all too soon, additional pressure will mount from Japan.

In the Soviet Union, German forces and Soviet units engaged each other in numerous, generally large battles. The scene of the bloodiest fighting was around Kiev, Gomel, Kursk and Cherginov. Despite large losses, the Soviet Union's large mechanised forces (somewhere around 50-60 divisions) managed to consistently halt the German armoured thrusts. Losses in Soviet infantry were reasonably severe in several battles, but as rain and poor weather came to the front, the German forces pulled back behind the river lines to establish a defensive front over winter while they could build up fresh reserves, and deploy even more armoured and mechanised forces.

Largely, the USSR has been successful in defending it's core regions. Whilst it continues to suffer defeat after defeat in the air, the new stacking limits have meant that it's airforce has not suffered complete annihilation, therefore denying German tactical air the free use of the skies. Fortunately, German manpower levels are still high, resources continue to flow in at a rate that enables the continued level of production, which is undoubtably higher than the Soviets. Time therefore should aid the Axis more than the Communists, and 1942 should bring new spring offensives.
 

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The Uk continues to hold Eygpt and parts of the ME dispite being outnumbered on both fronts for most of the war.

In a huge battle in Egypt both sides fort each other to a stand still, with massive losses on both sides, that battle involved 65 divs all up. The Italian forces finaly broke through in syria and pushed into Iraq. British forces pulled back to more defendable positions and consolidated its forces, while the Italians advanced further and further into the ME.

At the same time Italy advanced the USSR launched an offensive into turkey which met with success in 1 out of 2 mountain provinces. With the mountains breached and better fighting terrain ahead, the soviets might be able to do some real damage against Italy & Turkey.

The African ME theater has seen probably nearly 100 airbattles, with most resulting in allied suscess. At sessions end the italian airforce fleed the royal airfroce as it was deicmated due to lack of supplies and unable to reinforce, seems to Italian economy can not cope with this intensity of warfare.

Meanwhile the Uk and the CW continued preperations for defences in the Asia-Pacific theater. Inteligence reports increased military activity from Japan. Some experts suggest an attack is imeniment. Just in case defences are well in hand to deal with any potential threats.

All in all a good session. Next session the Allies will get a big boost with the USA to bring its huge industrial might into the alliance. If Germany and the USSR continue to trade blows into 1942 and beyond this could be a longer game.

what time is next session was it sunday night or monday night, time?
 
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Monday 8 I think was next session.
 

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Its Good to see Joel struggling against the Soviets for a change. He now understands how hard it is to beat a USSR that just sits behind the river and counters, espically one that out numbers him in Mech/Armour by about 30 Divs. To make this game more realistic i wouldl ike to see Germany/USSR aim for set objectives or campiagns in the summer of 42 (not complete conquest). Eg Germany wants Stalingrad and the cacauses. Hopefully this would see the game into 43 and beyond, and give germany time to build up its airfroce to be a decisive advantage, but by then against 400-500 Russian Divisions itm ight not matter.

Good game guys lets keep this one going so we can see what japan and USA can do after a few years in the war. Should get interesting.
 

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Germany cannot win or gain much more ground than it already has. Russians are too strong in tech and men. Going to be a stalemate for a while till the Russians can go on the offensive without fear of a counterattack. As far as the Japs and yanks go well we know how that will end up its just a matter of how quick. With an economy that is going to be almost 3 times that of the japs no other result is possible. Its just a matter of time.
 
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That's not true Major.

A smart Japanese player can make it so that the US has no bases from which it can counter Japanese conquests. And fast use of marines-transports/paratroopers-transports can mean that you have the Philipinnes/Singapore/Indochina/Netherlands within 1 month of the start of your war.

If I did it you can.
 

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Japan is finally in the war....Lost early battles to UK with low ORG naval and air units. Jap subs with low org took heavy casaulties off Singapore.The economy has been retarded due to a democratic government so military expenture was quite reduced with 250+ CG. Minsters were more or less a waste of time to use due to the dissent penalty for every change. Jap planes outclassed in the air by supeior UK planes. Japanese industry has been delayed leaving many ships for upgrades still in the docks.

Military commanders have withdrawn all forces from further atatcks on the UK until units have obtained org. Singapore holds for now but will be taken soon.

Only good news is the Japs have secured beacheads in the Phillipines and taken Guam.

BTW now we have war with everyone we need to put game on very slow at least until things settle down. Unlike the other countries the japs are spread over trying to coordinate attacks on islands. It is very difficult to manage especially now the UK has decided to fight for Singapore.
 

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The War is now global, some people have started to call it World war II.

Japan decleared war on Jan 1st 1942, then Germany DOW on the USA to bring them into the Allies, just like history.

The Uk had begun a military buildup and reorganisation of forces for the defences in the far east 6 months ago, after spys learned of japans intentions.

The Japs seem to have there sights on singapore first, seems the axis must be desperate for rubber. In the First true Carrier vs Carrier and CAG vs CAG fleet battle, it was very even with the Japs losing a carrier i believe. The Royal navy won the battle and saved singapore in the first battle. The Japs then sent in long range fighters to destroy my cags and fighters but my imporved fighters defeated them. Japanese naval bombers were also badly mauled. A fleet of 12 Jap subs moved of singapore and forced my fleet to retreat losing a CA. A Uk fleet of destroyers moved in supported by 4 CAGs decimated the jap subs, with 6-8 subs lost. So ealry battles have gone the UK's way, but im sure that will change once the Japs get organised. But this does do is tie up japs forces and gives the US time to prepare.

Meanwhile in the Africa and the ME, a number of land battles were fought again with the UK pulling back one province in Egypt (due to an error when the mrs came home, was distracted and moved wrong unit forcing th army to retreat, dont you hate that). A number of UK counterattacks failed to break the italians lines. A massive Italian attack was defeated at sessions end into Egypt with large Italian losess. A series of Naval battles saw the Italian navy defeat the Royal navy, only loseing a few vintage CA. The USSR pushed deeper into Turkey threatening the turkish front.

Next session will be very interesting. either the UK will hold in Egpyt and Singapore & india or it could suffer massive reversals which would take years to undo even with massive US support. Can the UK hold the line as it has done for the 2 1/2 years. I think so.

Good game.
 

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USA build up

The axis aggression caught the USa blind sided, although technical skill had been maintained over the years, little had been done in mobilisation planning! But the recent aggression has led to flocks of GI's rushing for the local recruitment office.

Within a short space of time the USA will be on full war economy and production, at that time it will truly one again be the 'arsenal of democracy.'

Roosevelt is keen to meet Mr Churchill to decide on a overall strategy beyond that agreed, but with the Germany army halted, it seems the yellow peril may go under the knife - first.

The brave Phillipino army - now 8 Div! ( strange but true) holds out against the yellow swine.