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I have a formal dinner Thursday night but can probably get away by 9 qld time.

This works well for me. I have to work until 7.30pm tonight and won't be home until approximately 8.30pm. I don't start until 11am tomorrow so I can play until 1-2am in the morning. SE.
 

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Sounds like a good session.

From what you have said G and the proof provided those 9 divisions should be removed from the game. It sounds more like SE was angry at that sessions play and results to demand those 9 divisions be returned. To me smells of desperation.

From reading both Axis and Allied posts one gets the impression the allies have over committed to Japan and are doing little if nothing at all to take the preasure of Russia. Having played Germany countless times, nothing pleases and Adolf more then not having the allies constantly harrass or attack around your flanks. Not only is it a drain on resources but criticaly in this game " A players time". It takes alot of focus to fight the eastern front and with both Germany and Italy hitting Russia its 2v1.

Allies need to reassess there war plan, defeating Japan or at least hurting them does not win the war. Failing to help Russia does.

Mike you should study MG's evidence more closely before you open your mouth mees a think. The pick of my divs moving to Narva from Tartu IIRC is roughly when I ordered them to fall back as I sore MG's trap coming. In theory they should have well and truely been in Narva when the first set of unsuccessful Geramn attacks happened which was approximately 4 days later. That was the big one involving 30 divs, but when MG managed to attack 6 days later on the 10th and take the province, those divisions had dissapeared. It was the big attack on the 8th when I noticed my divs had dissapeared and that is exactly when I notified everyone that they had vanished. So MG's proof as he calls it, only serves to proove that I am right. SE.
 

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Mike you should study MG's evidence more closely before you open your mouth mees a think. The pick of my divs moving to Narva from Tartu IIRC is roughly when I ordered them to fall back as I sore MG's trap coming. In theory they should have well and truely been in Narva when the first set of unsuccessful Geramn attacks happened which was approximately 4 days later. That was the big one involving 30 divs, but when MG managed to attack 6 days later on the 10th and take the province, those divisions had dissapeared. It was the big attack on the 8th when I noticed my divs had dissapeared and that is exactly when I notified everyone that they had vanished. So MG's proof as he calls it, only serves to proove that I am right. SE.

SE. How is your divisions disapearing a bug? If the province was taken befor your forces arrived then there dead. If your retreating out of swamp or into it movement takes alot longer and even longer on retreats. What was the weather like as if it was raining when you retreated from swamp then its even longer then the normal long time out of swamp.

I have never seen a bug with land forces for retreating other then involved with sea invasions. What I think has happened here is more likely para operations have suprised you and cut off your forces more quickly then you thought.

But if there is a bug please tell us how it happened so we know what to avoid for the future as I have not seen any like how you discribe it.
 

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Thats right because they dont exist. Ive seen this plenty of times befor. Allies will act to late as Russia collapses. By the time you do mangage to move forces and assemble some hasty offensive, Germany will have so weakened Russia giving it the ability to meet any possible allied offensive and continue to crush Russia.

The game hangs on Russia now, always has.

Again, absolutely no relation to the game being played.
 

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36GC tonight

9pm Qld time
10pm NSW time

Operation Geld the Jap (does that give away too much) comes into effect.

Wonder weapons hey MG. Be careful what you wish for.
 

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SE. How is your divisions disapearing a bug? If the province was taken befor your forces arrived then there dead. If your retreating out of swamp or into it movement takes alot longer and even longer on retreats. What was the weather like as if it was raining when you retreated from swamp then its even longer then the normal long time out of swamp.

I have never seen a bug with land forces for retreating other then involved with sea invasions. What I think has happened here is more likely para operations have suprised you and cut off your forces more quickly then you thought.

But if there is a bug please tell us how it happened so we know what to avoid for the future as I have not seen any like how you discribe it.

The divisions moving from Tartu to Narva were not engaged, there was no pop up, no "disaster! our army in such and such province has been annhilated" I also was watching my ongoing battle list the whole time, and there was no battle involving those divs that appeared in my list. The weather was clear. Also as MG said it takes approximately 2 and a half days to fall back from that province. The withdrawal started on approximately the 4th, the first unsuccessful attack was on the 8th (4 DAYS). The province of Narva was then occupied on the 10th after the second attack (6 DAYS). So what your saying is that a 9 division stack that should have only taken 2 and a half days to move from one province to another, that was never engaged once, was magically destroyed 6 days later again without being engaged? Perhaps you should stick to tetris or whatever it is your playing now as the fundamentals of the game mechanics are alot easier for you to understand, it is clear that you have no comprehension of these what so ever. Even your MEAT HEAD brother Major would be able to figure it out... SE.
 

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Thats right because they dont exist. Ive seen this plenty of times befor. Allies will act to late as Russia collapses. By the time you do mangage to move forces and assemble some hasty offensive, Germany will have so weakened Russia giving it the ability to meet any possible allied offensive and continue to crush Russia.

The game hangs on Russia now, always has.

Actually you havent because this game has been played under different rules. In fact if you had been playing this game could never have happened because both sides have been flexible about nations and numbers. Something you refuse to do because you cant cope if the game narrative changes from the standard game you play over and over.

In the early stages of the game when the risks were low the western allies made a series of stands which cost italy and germany substantialy. Much of nthern italy was taken and metro france held out until October 1940. During this period the soviet player made a series of deals with the axis that put the western allies in a difficult position in the middle east that led to an allied withdrawal to south egypt and West india.

Globally the allies have held out almost everywhere which means the offensive road will be much shorter than it usually is. And despite all the bizzare moves by the russians in the last 6 months there is no sugestion that they are fataly weakened or likely to collapse. In fact for every german advance there has been a russian one. Once the ussr has reorganised from the suprise of a winter attack then it is likely germans will be on the back foot.
 

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Although i know nothing of the technical aspect, I too watched the battle unfold, and heard MG comment on what was happening and at what point. I have no doubt the men were doomed based on the entrapment Mg was describing over TS.
 

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Mike may have his weak points in hoi but game mechanics is certainly not one of them.

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Why thank you Nolan, or do I. Weak points there are none. :)

Its only 9 divisions but from the times of battle and screen shots G posted it seemed to be a fair battle. 9 Dvisisions wont save the Russians from what I hear, but every man counts. Let the ruski have a freebie, hopefully it will be repaid in kind should a disputable "bug" happen to the Axis in such a fashion.
 

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Why thank you Nolan, or do I. Weak points there are none. :)

Its only 9 divisions but from the times of battle and screen shots G posted it seemed to be a fair battle. 9 Dvisisions wont save the Russians from what I hear, but every man counts. Let the ruski have a freebie, hopefully it will be repaid in kind should a disputable "bug" happen to the Axis in such a fashion.

Thats true of course 9 divisions in the east wont be a huge deal but i think mighty had about 20 in the bag originally. Of far more concern to this western ally is why the russians insist on defending the caucausus mtns with mech and motorised whilst the ukrainian steppe is defended by inf!!
 

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This is now officially Tuesday and Thursday game, unless Rastius is unavail thursday>?

He He He. I can actually play this Monday also. Have a 5am start, but only this monday so let's get an extra session in. SE.
 

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Why thank you Nolan, or do I. Weak points there are none. :)

Its only 9 divisions but from the times of battle and screen shots G posted it seemed to be a fair battle. 9 Dvisisions wont save the Russians from what I hear, but every man counts. Let the ruski have a freebie, hopefully it will be repaid in kind should a disputable "bug" happen to the Axis in such a fashion.

The Axis have allready had more then they're fair share of "DISPUTABLE" bugs from what I have been told and have been allowed to get off lightly. The western allies have also been plagued with supply issues due to faulty game mechanics and bugs and have yet to receive any compensation for them. So yes it may only be 9 divisions, but as the saying goes. One good turn deserves another... SE.
 
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The Axis have allready had more then they're fair share of "DISPUTABLE" bugs from what I have been told and have been allowed to get off lightly. The western allies have also been plagued with supply issues due to faulty game mechanics and bugs and have yet to receive any compensation for them. So yes it may only be 9 divisions, but as the saying goes. One good turn deserves another... SE.



Comparing naval bugs (that are fixed in 1.3) is nothing like this land bug :rofl:

But anyway lets move along this discussion is moot as the units have been edited back in.


This game is now TUESDAY, THURSDAY game........... any opposition to this?

(i guess we just need ras to confirm)
 

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Comparing naval bugs (that are fixed in 1.3) is nothing like this land bug :rofl:

But anyway lets move along this discussion is moot as the units have been edited back in.


This game is now TUESDAY, THURSDAY game........... any opposition to this?

(i guess we just need ras to confirm)

Please refer to my roster that I posted. I'll make a link for it in my sig so you can look at it yourselves. Also keep in mind that I CAN PLAY THIS MONDAY. It is a one off though. Next week I start week B, so I am available atleast on the Tuesday night. SE.
 
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Ill do the best I can to be here Thuesdays but cant guarantee it.