Aussie Group Sunday Game

[Majorball]

I am with you...if we cannot resolve such a simple problem how can we resolve any future problem that arises. The fact is Allied forces have liberated all of France, Belgium and the Netherlands and cannot supply their forces with sufficent supply thru Belgium taking all the territory. They Allies should have unlimited supply to any port they have captured. Me taking control of Belgium is only going to fix a supply issue that should not exist in the first place. I can understand wantign to fix every fault in the game but it is not always possible. This one is easy to fix and should be permitted. This is not how yo uwish to defeat the allies Mike?

 

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the supply situation must be fixed, its a stupid rule or an oversight.

Nolan, I heard you messages on second BH and replied that I didnt have the MP.

Sooner or later the americans are ging to have to fight.

I really dont mind if you sub me while I am away.

 

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But Major Ball, Mike didn't plan on having the Belgium nation human controlled! You can't do that, it's unfair .

 

[Majorball]

No sub for JH we will wait for you mate. Dont get to excited Husayn. It doesnt really concern me but we should try and help fix things when we can. I agree we have all been aflicted by bugs and faults in the game system at some stage and this one is easy to fix. Its no different to when Gezeder had that problem with Bulgaria affecting his SR and supply. We got around that problem. I am not advocating free for all on relaods etc but where we can fix a simple problem that is going to be a game breaker we should. Especially when its only a matter of me playing Belgium just to set the convoys correct. There is no logical reason why the Allies should not have sufficent supply in France considering they did liberate the country and even though Paris is occupied no liberation events have fired. If we do not permit this we are backing ourselves into a corner where no one will agree to anything in the future when always in the past we have resolved these issues. I agree its their fault for attacking from Belgium provinces but realistically there is no reason why liberation events have not fired for France and no reason why they should not be able to supply their troops.

I am going to log it as a problem in the appropiate forum so they may fix this in future patches

 

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I have no interest in being abused by Nolan. Who I have ordinarily found to be a good bloke.

I have made some mistakes, but also a lot of good moves.

The supply problem is not a stuff up. Its a design error.

Alb can play - have fun.

 

[mike8472]

I dont have an issue with the Supply situation or fixing it.

The problem i have is with all other bugs not matter how big or small its always been tough luck play on. And know becuase it suits the allies we want a AI nation hosted to fix supply issue. I disagree for this reason, if we dont dont do it other times then we dont do it now, we have set the precedents in the past. If there is a fix in game in how to rectify it then im all for it.

Sure its a big problem but its an issue we have been aware of for some time with provinces going to minors or allies. In our current game ive had constant problems supplying forces in the south of Russia for the last 2 years involing well over 100 divisions which dawfts the forces yous have in france, always having to send supplies to minors or other allies to make sure my forces are supplied and dont run out, it has affected some battles on occasion, you dont hear me asking to control poland or the checks to fix this, altohugh with what yous are proposing from now on it would be a must.

You can sit there and demand we fix this when just this session Nolan you said no to omni for a reload which i also agreed as im am not viewing a biased opinion. Im simply keeping to what we have done in the past no reloads or fixes for bugs. Simple because yous have invaded France is not a good enough reason.

Also you will find the France liberation event wont fire the provinces have not gone to the UK or USA hence you do not control the VP for the event to fire. Plus Germany still contols some french VP as well. If you want liberation events to fire you will need to reinvade and make sure all provinces go to the US or UK.

So in order to fix the whole debarcle you are going to have to reinvade anyway. Only other main supply issue with another player was Gezeder and we fixed that in game with some clever thinking. Due to this bug i will allow allied forces to withdraw from Europe un hindered, although i would dearly love to punish yous for your mistakes and destroy your forces while i have the chance. I will restrain my self to be fair, dont want yous complaining i beat yous because of a bug or bad choice of an invasion beach.

 

[Majorball]

Wasnt aware of any abuse...

 

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I seem to remember a province control bug being fixed in the Jap/Sino war a few times. So from now on are things like this to be left unfixed?

And does this means the NAP beetween Germany and USSR in the New Game cannot be fixed now and must stay on DEC 41? :rofl:

Regarding Omnis bug (if it is a bug) that you mentioned Mike the same thing happened to me and Gezeder earlier on after we tried to invade Truk. It sorted itself out after a while so we knew there was no need to panic about it.. When it happened we didn,t call for a reload. We just got on with the game as Omni should have.Small bugs like that should to be accepted by players. Just like the missing teks some players are suffering from.

The Belgian problems however is making the whole game silly now.

OK Mike turn on the arcade button if must. Its the only way you will ever win

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[mike8472]

No Nolan, there is a big differnce here.

1. The problem in china is due to lag and the province not being reconisgned as Japans after being conqered, so this is a bug or a lag issue.

2. Major simply clicked a wrong button for th even while clicking other pop ups. If i had a save we would just simple reload.

3. The problem with with the supplies in Europe is not a bug or lag issue or click of a wrong button. The player was warned about supply issues with minors taking over areas, by yourself and major, and this is what occured. It is not a bug, or a lag problem. A simple in game fix is to send belgium lots of supplies and oil and let them fix it, there capital should relocate back to europe so should not be an issue as no Convoys involved. This is exactly what my problem as been in russia, alway having to send supplies to my minors to supply the whole southern Russia.

The reason this happened is becuase i puppeted Poland, you would think supplies would simply pass through poland wouldnt you, but no. But it was my choice to do this so i didnt complain. Same for anyone else, if you choise to invade somewhere or move into the wrong areas and lands change to another nation tough luck, it was your choice and not a game bug, simple a lack of experience or knowledge on how the game mechanics work. Im sure they wouldnt repeat the same mistake and a good lesson learned.

This is the way the supply system in HOI 2 works normaly works well but from time to time there are probs that are fully avoidable. It may be fixed in a patch but i doubt it, it is hardcoded into the game and here to stay.

So unless it is a bug or caused by lag issues or an honest error then no reloads or edits. You will note I have never edited before and am hesitant to edit any game, as were does it end.

So as this mistake was invading the wrong areas and then moving units and these areas spreading to a minor there will be NO edit or playing of that nation. It was a players choice and wrong strategy that casued this.Send them supplies and what ever they need, is far easyier fix. I have offered a solution to you nolan so that there is no huge loss to the allies as it was an error, but by right i can destroy all your forces there and should really but im being nice. Take the offer while you can as it wont last long.

Also you wont get liberation event unless the land is UK or US, so you need to redo invasion anyhow.

 

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Well the fact that 'Pvt Ball' Decided to fight me in an game event may well of been a mistaken click. This was (as you say Mike) sorted out in game. The result of the fixing in game was a German USSR/NAP. Why then should this in game fix have to be fixed out of game? You cant have it both ways Mike Axis mistakes are fixable but Allied mistakes are not? :rofl:

An out of game fix is not the issue here anyway. (nice try at a diversion Mike) I am saying that if the entire Allied cause in Europe totally depends on the Belgian Convoy system then an Allied player should be allowed to control it. Its as simple as that.


You are right Mike about the situation in Europe being way too vulnerable having to rely on Belgian supplies and fuel even when they are flowing. We will have to pull out and reinvade but we should have the supplies to fight our way out if need be.

Dont do us any favors Mr Hilter so you can use it as an excuse when we march into Berlin

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Major... exactly how much 'subbing' you doing for Pvt Ball in the new game?

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Simple point to make as a 3rd party observer:

If the problem is fixable, and is something that is caused by limitations of the game itself, I'd advise (as we did many, many times before) to fix it with an edit or re-load. Of course, if the same issue has been agreed upon not to be edited before, then get on with the game, and work out a work around.

The important thing though, is it's just a game remember . Really, is it that important to edit or not edit? If It's easy to do, I'd say do it, past issues disregarded for the benefit or realism.

 

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The thing is it wasn,t a bug but a blunder by Jh which created this problem and we should pay the price. All Allied supplies to Europe having to go through Belgian ports is problem enough. But to leave supply to all of the Allied armies in Europe in the hands of the Belgian ai?

I propose 'Pvt Ball' joins the Allies (we are down a player scince BB quit) as Belgium ______________________

 

[mike8472]

The thing is it wasn,t a bug but a blunder by Jh which created this problem and we should pay the price. All Allied supplies to Europe having to go through Belgian ports is problem enough. But to leave supply to all of the Allied armies in Europe in the hands of the Belgian ai?

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You are wrong that all allied supplies are from belgium. The invasion started off as all UK provinces and were supplied. It is only now that ive pushed you back into the belgium provinces were JH made his blunder. So had yous stood your ground it not be much of a problem, instead yous ran like cowards. :rofl:

The problem is not easily fixed in an acceptable way. A human player taking over an AI allied player to fix a humans error is not acceptable. Dose that mean every time some thing goes wrong no matter how big or small we can simply take over AI nations to fix it, i think not. Had yous only done a raid like yous contend i think this would be no issue its only becuase of the size of the invasion that yous are complaining. Im keeping a fair and unbiased approach as we have never tacken over AI's with another human or edited to fix any problems and i intende to keep it that way as much as possible.

Also Nolan the issue with editing is not my issue, its between you and major i wont be fighting so i dont give a crap what probs yous have there. Yous two can come to a solution with that, not my concern.

Joel we have never edited saves to fix problems, we live with it or do a simple reload if that is the problem. All other issues have been sorted out ingame, with crafty solutions. The problem with edits or cotrolling AI nations becuase a problem comes up caused by a humans mistake is not acceptable. Problems or mistakes caused by humans have to be fixed by them with there own nation. If you stuff up an invasion in regars to supplies or minors taking over your land then you have made a big mistake, invading wrong areas, using wrong troops etc etc. You learn a lesson and prepare better for the next time.

I also find it offensive Nolan that you accuse me of favoring the axis on this issue. When have i ever edited, taken control of AI nation to fix my own mistake or another human axis nation. The answer is simple, never. The most we have done is a reload or come up with a solution in game. I have always been unbiased when it comes to these issues, there not rules. This is simply a line i wont cross it opens up a pandoras box.

 

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Joel we have never edited saves to fix problems, we live with it or do a simple reload if that is the problem.

Um, so sorry Mike, but thats simply not the case. Your other points may be valid, but this one isn't. I recall countless times I got in and edited saves, be if for extra MP, resources, event issues, etc, to provide either game balance, or make up for player actions. Eg: Germany loses out big time on the eastern front - rather than quit, we beef them up to get more gameplay.

Anyways, like I said though, I'm not there, so I don't know the full details. Still, seems to me like you're making a big fuss about this. Are you so defensive about this issue because you don't want to 'open pandora's box' or does wanting to win against JH at any cost flavour things?

Think about how you'll look back on your choice after this game in particular is over... Either way though, keep the interesting game reports coming

 

[mike8472]

I should be more specfic, we have never edited in our Hoi 2 games.

This is not an issue for game balance. This is an issue that a player as made the wrong choice. Sure this game is not perfect but supplying troops or allied nations taking provinces is the players mistake. There is no need for an edit. If the allies give belgium supplies the problem is fixed. I know this 100% as ive done it many times when AI nations supply all forces in southern russia even though there in my provinces. So i send them supplies to keep the forces going. This is exactly the same type of issue.

I will not edit for a players choice even, it was there decision on what they wanted to do. They learn a good lesson an move on. At present only small UK forces have been destroyed and this was before the Supply issue. It is only mid 1943, if they pull out there is plenty of time for invasion, which they have to do to get the liberation events.

I have offered to halt my attacks to allow them to pull out to be fair and so i dont win in this manner. They will have limited time to do this, if they decide not to then they will be destroyed without mercy.

If this was a bug or lag issue sure i would edit. But this was a Human players error, they live and learn. End of story.

 

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Axis Doomed

No favors thank you Mike. I don,t want to give you any excuses when we win.

Im willing to battle on with the risk of supply shortages in Western Europe if thats what it takes.

Anyhow the job has been done. Germany has been mortaly wounded by the Allied invasion. Herr Hilters inept defenses allowed the Allies to land unopposed on the NW German coast and then to overrun almost half of the German homeland before any credible German units were encountered.

If the Allies suffer losses due to the Belgian territory spread in France well thats just too bad. It will be worth it to have shortened the war by a year or two. The USA with masses of IC and MP can replace any losses very quickly. JH may have to lower the draft age to 12 years old.

The massive damage the Allies inflicted on the German war machine has guaranteed a victorious outcome for the Allies and the USSR in WWII.

With the Red Army now poised to overrun the weakened Axis in the East things are looking very grim indeed for the Fascists in Europe.


Looking forward to the next session


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[mike8472]

Hehehe, nice try.

The russians could barely win a battle on the Easter front, there will be no rapid collapse and very much a counter to push them back.

As for the allies well your choice, no favors i will destroy as much of your forces as i can, your choice to stay and fight with a big disadvantage. Good luck trying to move and fight with all your motorisied and tanks.

The only thing you will achive with a failed invasion is to give germany another year or two. You will lengthen the war as you pathetic allies cant even do a good invasion.

Also how as germany been weakened. I have lost no forces, the allies have. Ive only lost IC and thats only temporary, i dont have any serial builds at present building mainly supplies. So the only loss i have is IC which will rapidly recover.

If i destroy 50 allied divisions, mostily amour and motorised, the allies will suffer there greatest ever defeat. You will not be a threat for the next two years and by then ill be so strong Germany will be unbeatable.

Next time plan your invasion or attacks better and dont make it so easy for me to kill yous. Germany troops almost shed a tear when the allied soilders fight so poorly, i did say nearly. To the gas chambers with all allied pows.

 

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I been looking in this thread and I'm a bit confused as to what went wrong? Did JH attack from Belgium thus giving all territory to belgium???

Why didnt he land in France... OR why not do a 2nd landing after Belgium to at least get a French Port.

 

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Well BB we landed in NW Germany. As JH moved West to clear the Axis out of France and the Low countries hiss units passed through Belgium and exited out of the west side of the country. The ai gave the new territory (old French) to the Belgians not the Brits. JH didn,t know so he kept advancing spreading Belgian territory too far. Not all his fault he just didn,t realise in time. The yanks were obliged to fall back (Mostly because of very low org) as the Germans regrouped in Germany so we lost our original supply BH which was British in NW germany. Meanwhile JH was busy routing the Axis in western Europe for which he has missed out on the deserved praise. Not only did his force of limited numbers free western Europe but gained a spectacular victory in Paris with the surrender of around 100,000 axis troops. Well done JH.

3 top priorities in HOI.... 1 SUPPLIES!! 2 SUPPLIES!! 3 SUPPLIES!!

Anyway to get on with the story... As the Germans counter attack has pushed west the only remaining Allied ports (from Ghent to Boardaux) are now in Belgian controlled territory. Supplies for the Allies in Europe now go from USA to the Belgian capitol in West Africa. Then under ai control from Banana West Africa to a Belgian Port in Europe.

Its a bit complex but workable


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Also it seems Herr Hilters Lufftwaffa needs help from the Jap airforce to save it in Europe.

Jap airpower in Europe :rofl:

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