Well I think its unfair that we get a Nationalist Spain player mid 1938. I suppose the Axis need every advantage they can find to make up for lack of skill.
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German Industrial power is built on shaky foundations, everyone knows they don't have the resources to maintain their output for long. 
US IC will reach 600 by 1940 and will be sustainable, so phoeey mike
US IC will reach 600 by 1940 and will be sustainable, so phoeey mike
Major must be :wacko: . No one asked omni to join he just turned up to play and like everyone else that has done this we let them play a minor. I too think it unbalances team, but we have played many games were there have been 4 allied players to 3 axis, didnt hear us complain like a old women like major dose. Major you have to learn not to tear up every time something hapens that dosnt suit your plans....hang on lets make a rule for that....umm...oh i didnt plan for that. check your mail today i got a box of tissues for you. :rofl:
Screw you Mike..soon as I mentioned him taking over Romania I could hear you the moaning at my place. I just think when we start a game we need to know who who are fighting and what countries are playing so we can make plans accordingly. Not have someone turn up half way thru and take over a Major Minor country in a strategically important location which requires different planning altogether. Especially when I have set in place serial builds which if I break into severly hamper my production capabilities. Had I known we would have a human Spanish player I may have started certain builds earlier such as naval bombers, convoys, escort fighters escorts, transports etc and some more ships. However as my builds are more or less locked in I am at a severe disadvantge. It does not affect you what happens at all as the only thing you have built is IC and therefore you may build anything you like.
So before you start saying I jump up and down you need to gather all the facts.
Does anyone else on the Allied team see my point or do I have to argue with these biased Axis players myself?
So before you start saying I jump up and down you need to gather all the facts.
Does anyone else on the Allied team see my point or do I have to argue with these biased Axis players myself?
I think it's just another case of "I didn't plan for it wa wa wa", which is getting old and annoying now.
I'll admit I have had no issue with people joining in during a game, however all of major's points are valid.
This is a strategy game folks - and clearly Major has planned his strategy around an assumption of which nations will be human or AI controlled. This is fair, reasonable, and nothing shocking. If, for example, a human took over China mid-game, but prior to Japan invading, I'm sure the Japanese player would have every right to feel that this was unfair.
The players who start to a game, and commit to playing it from the begining should have the call as to whether or not to accept new players. I for one am more than happy for Huseyn to play on, but if Major objects strenously, I would support him. If I joined in mid-way through a game, I would understand, and accept this type of decision.
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Germany's comments about IC are interesting to say nothing else. Unfortunately, Adolf made his boasts about Germany's IC being the highest without considering 3 factors that affected the Soviet Production figures.
Firstly, Stalin purged the army of it's traitorous and in-efficient leadership, causing some lessening of the efficiency of production (10% dissent does that!)
Secondly, he has clearly gauged Soviet production prior to a further technology development which increased overall production at sessions end. Finally, Soviet Industry builds, put on hold temporarily as the dissent from the purges was eliminated, came through only partially in this session.
Adolf might have played in SP and checked to see how large he could get his IC to, however in amazing news, it turns out Uncle Joe has also tested varying build strategies! And in more shocking newss, he is aware of how to match German production, whilst actually doing 2 things Adolf cannot - Building an army (comes in use Mike), and actually having the resources to feed that Industry.
The Red Army however already has developed and commenced production of ultra-modern models of Infantry, Armour, and Air wings of designs that no doubt outmatch their Axis counterparts. If Hitler ever dares to throw his pitiful army (outnumbered already by Polish forces as one example) into the meatgrinder that is the USSR, he will meet a larger, more technologically advanced army, with a superior, and more secure Industrial base at it's rear...
(Hows that for propaganda mode)
This is a strategy game folks - and clearly Major has planned his strategy around an assumption of which nations will be human or AI controlled. This is fair, reasonable, and nothing shocking. If, for example, a human took over China mid-game, but prior to Japan invading, I'm sure the Japanese player would have every right to feel that this was unfair.
The players who start to a game, and commit to playing it from the begining should have the call as to whether or not to accept new players. I for one am more than happy for Huseyn to play on, but if Major objects strenously, I would support him. If I joined in mid-way through a game, I would understand, and accept this type of decision.
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Session wise:
Germany's comments about IC are interesting to say nothing else. Unfortunately, Adolf made his boasts about Germany's IC being the highest without considering 3 factors that affected the Soviet Production figures.
Firstly, Stalin purged the army of it's traitorous and in-efficient leadership, causing some lessening of the efficiency of production (10% dissent does that!)
Secondly, he has clearly gauged Soviet production prior to a further technology development which increased overall production at sessions end. Finally, Soviet Industry builds, put on hold temporarily as the dissent from the purges was eliminated, came through only partially in this session.
Adolf might have played in SP and checked to see how large he could get his IC to, however in amazing news, it turns out Uncle Joe has also tested varying build strategies! And in more shocking newss, he is aware of how to match German production, whilst actually doing 2 things Adolf cannot - Building an army (comes in use Mike), and actually having the resources to feed that Industry.
The Red Army however already has developed and commenced production of ultra-modern models of Infantry, Armour, and Air wings of designs that no doubt outmatch their Axis counterparts. If Hitler ever dares to throw his pitiful army (outnumbered already by Polish forces as one example) into the meatgrinder that is the USSR, he will meet a larger, more technologically advanced army, with a superior, and more secure Industrial base at it's rear...
(Hows that for propaganda mode)
Bo ho bo ho. :rofl: . I understand your point major like i said in the above post, and like i said in the game, so i was on your side. I would have rather seen omni go Canada or Australia, but i guess there not so much fun for the player as you would know from the other game.
Now as for chaning the shape of the game with a human spain it wont, not from the axis point of view. You may think you need to change plans as you dont know what were planning, so you need to cover what if's. I can tell you this though omni taking over spain has not changed mine and munsters grand plans, not one little bit. Our plans are already well underway and cannot be changed just becuase a spanish player is here. Spain is already in the Axis so we could attack gibralter and do convoy bombing, or base fleets there wether it was human or not. Im sure if spain build any naval bombers your airforce can cover it, and like you said convoys wars are not possible in HOI 2 a waste of time, or maybe so you claim.
Anyway im on your side on that Major i just like winding you up and seeing you moan like BB does . Omni being in the game does not change the fact that you are going to get your butt kicked big time this game major, and it has been your fault you just cant see it yet. Hahaha on to victory.
Now as for chaning the shape of the game with a human spain it wont, not from the axis point of view. You may think you need to change plans as you dont know what were planning, so you need to cover what if's. I can tell you this though omni taking over spain has not changed mine and munsters grand plans, not one little bit. Our plans are already well underway and cannot be changed just becuase a spanish player is here. Spain is already in the Axis so we could attack gibralter and do convoy bombing, or base fleets there wether it was human or not. Im sure if spain build any naval bombers your airforce can cover it, and like you said convoys wars are not possible in HOI 2 a waste of time, or maybe so you claim.
Anyway im on your side on that Major i just like winding you up and seeing you moan like BB does
. Omni being in the game does not change the fact that you are going to get your butt kicked big time this game major, and it has been your fault you just cant see it yet. Hahaha on to victory.
Hahaha good propaganda Joel, can you wright mine for me too.
A simple fact is, with Germany doing IC builds, with good planning and good use of conquest, the USSR can never match Germany IC wise unless it takes out all of china and does IC builds until 41. True Germany does have problems maintaining that IC, but you forget. Germany only needs to maintain a massive IC until war with Russia to get the bigest, most powerful army possible for use in Russia. After this point Germanies manpower is such that future expansion is slow and mainly consists of upgrades, so there is no need for massive IC after say the end of 1941 or mid 42, which i can easily keep going till. Germany shouldnt have issues until mid 43 in this game, and thats with the present stockpile, i anticipate significant gains from conquest as well like in other games.
By maximising IC early, Germany can then focus on its manpower as the good ministers become aviable, greatly increasing germanies manpower production. It is possible for German daily manpower to outstrip the USSR if all of Europe is under German control, giving Germany a daily gain of nearly 2.8 manpower a day.
The other benifits of doing IC for Germany is all the free slider moves, why build early when i can build so much more, for cheaper and faster, with better tech later on and i dont pay the supply costs. Germany will by war boast the worlds largest army outstriping even the USSR, made possible by the worlds largest IC with minimal consumer goods and supplies.
On to victory.
P.S Joel you claim to be able to have 600 divisions by war, you will need them. We will have around 500 divisions in which to do our invasion with. From Germany/Italy/Spain all good quality. So be prepared, your going to get a lesson in warfare this game, chump.
A simple fact is, with Germany doing IC builds, with good planning and good use of conquest, the USSR can never match Germany IC wise unless it takes out all of china and does IC builds until 41. True Germany does have problems maintaining that IC, but you forget. Germany only needs to maintain a massive IC until war with Russia to get the bigest, most powerful army possible for use in Russia. After this point Germanies manpower is such that future expansion is slow and mainly consists of upgrades, so there is no need for massive IC after say the end of 1941 or mid 42, which i can easily keep going till. Germany shouldnt have issues until mid 43 in this game, and thats with the present stockpile, i anticipate significant gains from conquest as well like in other games.
By maximising IC early, Germany can then focus on its manpower as the good ministers become aviable, greatly increasing germanies manpower production. It is possible for German daily manpower to outstrip the USSR if all of Europe is under German control, giving Germany a daily gain of nearly 2.8 manpower a day.
The other benifits of doing IC for Germany is all the free slider moves, why build early when i can build so much more, for cheaper and faster, with better tech later on and i dont pay the supply costs. Germany will by war boast the worlds largest army outstriping even the USSR, made possible by the worlds largest IC with minimal consumer goods and supplies.
On to victory.
P.S Joel you claim to be able to have 600 divisions by war, you will need them. We will have around 500 divisions in which to do our invasion with. From Germany/Italy/Spain all good quality. So be prepared, your going to get a lesson in warfare this game, chump.
And of course the USA and UK will just roll over when you say so...?
I'll take outnumbering the Axis by 100 Divisions, when they are using all their forces against me. The Allies of course in your calculations will have no army, no airforce, and no navy. So no need to bring them into those Single Player inspired equations...
Oh, and wait... Maybe you'd atcually better garrison the rest of Europe... I don't want to crush the Axis and have the western Allies march into an undefended Berlin with the two militia divs they manage to scrape together.
But hey, it's your game plan.
I can see majors points but I am loathe to turn away any players, it is a game after all
And I don't gorn and carry on mike, thats your sick imagination
And I don't gorn and carry on mike, thats your sick imagination
Wont matter Mikes had his arse kicked in every game we play....4 weeks of attacks against Russia and he retreats to the Polish border when the going gets tough.
Joel those figures are only the forces against you. With my forces committed to Russia that still leaves me with 50 divisions alone to defend france. By war with russia spain can potentialy build 130 divisions all 39 or better, just did it today from where omni left off, heheh. So lets say Spain leaves 70 divisions in spain, that leaves 60 divisions to send to russia or france meaning 110 divisions in france with mine. Oh yes and italy well italy can also build around 150 divisions by war with russia. So you do the math, 130 + 150 + about 350 German, hmm oh there is 130 divisions left to fight the allies in mid 1941, so i hope the UK has 250 divisions by then beucase if they dont there finished.
It seems to me that Mike over estimates his builds by at least double When he says 60 divs he really means 30 haha :rofl:
When he says 60 divs he really means 30 haha :rofl:
Next session is Saturday night right btw?
I'm not sure we set a time, but later will be necessarry for me. A 9pm, or even 9:30 would suit best.
I'm not sure we set a time, but later will be necessarry for me. A 9pm, or even 9:30 would suit best.
It was set for 8pm. 9.30 is no good working the next day. So may have to cancel this session as no point playing for an hour. It is the same prob for me on next wednesday im working till 9pm.
Are there any days next week people are free. Monday?Thursday?Friday?Saturday? If not we may have to postone this game for a week or two.
Are there any days next week people are free. Monday?Thursday?Friday?Saturday? If not we may have to postone this game for a week or two.
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I cant play till 9pm wednesday BB working till then. Only way we can play tommorow night and wednesday is if everyone can commit to playing till midnight, otherwise no point.
So can everyone play till midnight so we can get 3 hours in, otherwise all session off for this game until next weekend.
So can everyone play till midnight so we can get 3 hours in, otherwise all session off for this game until next weekend.