Aussie DD Game 2(Mike as Germany)

[mike8472]

Good session, progress till April 1942.

Limited action for germany this session. A few big air battles with the UK over the med around sciliy and alexandria. German naval forces along with a vinchy fleet all but wipped out a UK fleet of 16 ships which landed forces at algiers. A large airbattle with US airforces over africa saw another luftwaffe victory.

This session saw 255 UK convoys sunk with 35 escourts. I think 6 subs were lost.

Major im not sure why your having a big dummy spit over when the USSR and Germany will go to war. The allies control most of africa and have since the start of the war nearly. Besides a brief attempt by the UK to reclaim it after the vinchy event, which cant be helped its part of the game, the allies are in a strong position.

Besides fight a small part of the German airforce, there has been little action between us. Your mainly fighting Japan, and some italian forces this session.

Germany is not using any land forces against the UK, im only using a part of my airforce. If you want germany to use its full force ill show you what i can do. Im only doing limited actions while waiting for Russia to buildup and having some fun sinking convoys and losing lots of subs.

The rest of us talked after the game when you left. We all basicaly agreed we like the style of game were playing. Ofcourse we want to refine it a bit so the US and Japan are in a bit later like we have discussed over previous days. You cant dictate to other players how there going to play there own nations, wether you like it or not. It has been the actions of other players and events this game that have caused this situation. The USSR an myself are not going to change our plans becuase your unhappy about it, your my enemy and the USSR is only friendly to you out of nessacity.

If Germany dosnt want to go to war with the USSR until later on its there choice. Same if the USSR dosnt want to attack Germany its there choice. You cant force them to do it. If might had his way we wouldnt fight till 1944 or after, so he can nuke me. But ill have to jump him in 43 at the latest to have any chance of defeating him.

It only benfits the USSR to wait, the GDE will be alot better, masses of infantry and what ever else he builds in the extra time. It helps me in a limited way ot also build more up for the russian offensive, but im also fighting a war and spending alot on replacements, with all our air battles.

The guys are happy with the war, even your ally nolan. Yous have succesfully defended africa, defended australia and kicked out the japan invasion, defending singapore, bit of a stalemate in india but with US forces in time you will drive him out, succesfully defended against sealion early on. The allies have done well and will only do better as time goes on.

Compare this to the axis position of, having lost africa so early and our only really gains have been the normal ones in europe. Only big victory was gibralter which is of limited use due to the allies controling africa. The Axis face a super US industrial beast, and the massive red army. It is going to be a massive fight and one unless im lucky will likely lose as we simply can not mate the allies IC or manpower.

Now wether you like it or not you cannot control russia's actions. Its mighties nation and he can play them the way he see's fit. Me and mighty have both disucssed it and we want a long tough war not one that end in 42 or even 43. We want this game to go beyond 45 unlike all our other attempts. Besides some airpower being used against you, you have suffered nothing from germany. You would have lost gibralter anyway in 1940 had i know that forts would come down with airpower and at that time you would have had the US to help you.

You have to learn to play the game, you cant control everyones actions. As long as well play with in the rules we set, what happens happens. Did it piss me off that africa was lost so early, YES, did it piss me off gunny DOW on the US so early YES. Poor axis in europe been fighting US force since 1940, 18 months, early and we did nothing wrong, not one step out of line and yet we the European AXIS got STUFFED over. But you play one and just see what happens. Im tired of people throwing in the towel, you eitherp lay the games out or dont bother player them.

We've got 11 years left of WAR, not stop your moaning and start your fighting. We got rid of one moaning person for awhile, do we need to dispatch another??? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

 

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Jan - April 42


PACIFIC

AUSTRALIA SAVED!!

Early March 42.

The Commander US forces SW Pacific Field Marshal Eisenhower was pleased to report to FDR that all organised Japanese resistance on the continant of Australia has ceased. In a skillful evacuation operation by the Japanese the Darwin Garrison was able to slip their evac transports past the patroling USN ships with minimum losses. Following the liberation of Darwin the Island of Timor along with its vital air and sea bases was occupied by US Infantry units. US forces continue to advance unopposed in the jungles of Irian Jiya.


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In the MED

In a brillient counter counter attack Commonwealth forces have smashed the Axis African counter offensive and occupied most Vichy provinces in North Africa. Commonwealth forces carried out sevral daring landings behind enemy lines forcing the cowardly Italians to strat move out before they became trapped. Heavy air counter attacks by the dreaded Luftwaffa on the Royal Navy inflicted some losses in warships and transports on the plucky Tars.


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North West Africa

US ground forces in NW Africa under General Bradly are pushing slowly North from Aaiun towards Cassablanca but awfull overstacking by the Luftwaffa has totally disorganised USAF CAP for the operation and General Bradly has refused to advance very far without air cover for his fighting vehicles.


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India

The Indian theatre remains quiet.


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The Strategic war

The slow strangulation of the UK continues. Although able to fight on the effects on British moral are starting to show.


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GOD DAMN STALIN FOR SITTING OUT THE WAR!!


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[Majorball]

I tell you why I am having a dummy spit....Germany does not attack Russia in 1941....nor 1942 and maybe in 1943. This allows you to mass all your Airpower(bombers) in the one area for 3 years before russia war. Thats 4 or 5 stars on every german plane. No many how many hundreds of planes russia will build they will always be inferior even without all the experience your air divisions have. Mighty might not be aware but you aircraft will receive +40 to + 50% bonous in air battles. Not to mention leader experience. You can bomb away at single divisions piling experience into your planes.
Mighty is goign to get blown away when war eventually starts. This isnt a game about strategy and tactics. On top of this Japan declares war in 1940. What you guys are trying to prove is beyond me?

I will finish this post later on but you need to consider the bullshit that has gone on in this game. The game will chaneg when USA industry kicks in but what sort of a game is it at the moment?
Hardly worth any enjoyment for playing. Just massed air...yes the Allies can do it later but we do not hae the same concentration of airbases like the Germans do in Europe. I cant build anything else....even if I wanted to. No manpower. Game wasnt designed for UK and USA vs the entire Axis from 1940.

On top of this a gamey strategic redploy...yes use airbornes you say..I reckon even if I used an airborne Troy would have SR out anyway.

This game too many gamey moves and bullshit...I am considerign seriouly my involvment in any future games and you may be best without me because I will always complain. I wont standby and see what you guys are doing to a good game by all this gamey stuff.
If you dont think we have concerns to address here it means you are just out right biased. Strategically the Axis have been outplayed.....Its about time you got on with what your suppose to do in this game and not take advantage of Mighties inexperience.

I know Mighty means well but he will get crushed no matter how many planes or troops he builds. While you troops gain experience his will get wiped from the map.

Also since we change to this version no Lend Lease for UK event has happened for a logn time

Anyway I may play tonight or I may not...

 

[Majorball]

It only benfits the USSR to wait, the GDE will be alot better, masses of infantry and what ever else he builds in the extra time. It helps me in a limited way ot also build more up for the russian offensive, but im also fighting a war and spending alot on replacements, with all our air battles.

The guys are happy with the war, even your ally nolan. Yous have succesfully defended africa, defended australia and kicked out the japan invasion, defending singapore, bit of a stalemate in india but with US forces in time you will drive him out, succesfully defended against sealion early on. The allies have done well and will only do better as time goes on.

Compare this to the axis position of, having lost africa so early and our only really gains have been the normal ones in europe. Only big victory was gibralter which is of limited use due to the allies controling africa. The Axis face a super US industrial beast, and the massive red army. It is going to be a massive fight and one unless im lucky will likely lose as we simply can not mate the allies IC or manpower.

Now wether you like it or not you cannot control russia's actions. Its mighties nation and he can play them the way he see's fit. Me and mighty have both disucssed it and we want a long tough war not one that end in 42 or even 43. We want this game to go beyond 45 unlike all our other attempts. Besides some airpower being used against you, you have suffered nothing from germany. You would have lost gibralter anyway in 1940 had i know that forts would come down with airpower and at that time you would have had the US to help you.

You have to learn to play the game, you cant control everyones actions. As long as well play with in the rules we set, what happens happens. Did it piss me off that africa was lost so early, YES, did it piss me off gunny DOW on the US so early YES. Poor axis in europe been fighting US force since 1940, 18 months, early and we did nothing wrong, not one step out of line and yet we the European AXIS got STUFFED over. But you play one and just see what happens. Im tired of people throwing in the towel, you eitherp lay the games out or dont bother player them.

We've got 11 years left of WAR, not stop your moaning and start your fighting. We got rid of one moaning person for awhile, do we need to dispatch another??? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

It benefeits Germany not Russia, the experience that the German planes have will far surpass any amount of numbers the Russians can build. I predict the Russians to lose 100 divisions in the first week. The only reason you accepted such deals from Mighty is you guys have been outplayed. To make up for this you decided to not go to war with Russia. A credit to the USA and UK for this.
I am sick of hearing about how you didnt help Italy. I dont want to hear about your mistakes. If you didnt help him enough thats your problem. Dont tell me about using some airpower. You massed 100% of your bombers against Gilbralter (50+ air divisions) throw in another 60-80 fighters for cover. Dont tell us why you havnt been helping the Italians...thats your mistake. We dont want or ask for any charity...and if charity is needed my point is proven.

Lets sit back for a minute and think about what if the Germans had a deal with the Russians for no war till end of 1942 or 1943. Had the Axis built for sealion from 1936 this gives them way to much time to attempt it. Whats happened in this game should never happen again. One of the main reasons Sealion failed is that the Germans couldnt spare the resources because of their plans for Russia.

The Russians will be crushed in the first year and unable to recover.....

 

[mike8472]

I tell you why I am having a dummy spit....Germany does not attack Russia in 1941....nor 1942 and maybe in 1943. This allows you to mass all your Airpower(bombers) in the one area for 3 years before russia war. Thats 4 or 5 stars on every german plane. No many how many hundreds of planes russia will build they will always be inferior even without all the experience your air divisions have. Mighty might not be aware but you aircraft will receive +40 to + 50% bonous in air battles. Not to mention leader experience. You can bomb away at single divisions piling experience into your planes....

Major you have got your facts all wrong again. Last night you didnt mention anything about experience on planes. Here are the facts, my bombers took a punding at gibralter, the replacements took most of my 5 star stukas too 3 once they were replaced. Only some of my stukas have good experience about 12-16 of them out of a total of 36. Thats right i got 36 stukas and 24 tacs. You are only being bombed by 16 stuaks and 4 tacs. This is part of my airforce i will be leaving in the west along with 60+ fighters/interceptors. My units all got there experience in 1940, i have only lost experience since then due to battles. So your points on experience are totalt incorrect.

Now go load up the save for june 1941 major, you will see how my air force was deployed. You are going to be facing massive german airpower for the whole game. Im not sending 150 air units into Russia. I will send about 80, the rest will be to pound you and nolan. Now please load of the Save and look at my airforce in 1941, you will see ive added no new planes. The only thing ive been doing is upgrades and replacements, along with a few tanks builds thats it. I built my airforce this game to be able to fight on both th east and western fronts when the russian war started, hence the huge size of it, 150 air units by early 1941. ...[/QUOTE]

Mighty is goign to get blown away when war eventually starts. This isnt a game about strategy and tactics. On top of this Japan declares war in 1940. What you guys are trying to prove is beyond me?...

Well ive been saying for a few months now, about both the US and Japan joining early. But i was ignored depsite my many post on the forums to try and get you buggers to do something, so i guess we lie in the bed we made for ourselves.

The Japs joining im sure has stretched you alot, but you have the US to save you and there massive IC. I know the US didnt have much built, but i guess thats very realisitc, they were caught with there pants down. The massive US IC im sure will be decisive in 1943 and 1944 and beyond, as it should be. Its the US that does most the fighting in these years. As th UK you got to learn to now let the US take over much of the fighting, and take a back seat. Your no longer the main allied person anymore.

I will finish this post later on but you need to consider the bullshit that has gone on in this game. The game will chaneg when USA industry kicks in but what sort of a game is it at the moment?
Hardly worth any enjoyment for playing. Just massed air...yes the Allies can do it later but we do not hae the same concentration of airbases like the Germans do in Europe. I cant build anything else....even if I wanted to. No manpower. Game wasnt designed for UK and USA vs the entire Axis from 1940....

This game is different due to action of other people beyond the control of Germany. This changed the game massively for me and i had no say in the matter. Germany had not invaded spain, turkey, sweden, left france till 1940, not invaded the azores or iceland. I did all of this to make sure the US stayed out of the war, so i could have a normal game. I am yet to play a game as germany where the US remains out. I always get screwed over, and i was again this time.

Sure it made my situation alot different. But im not going to not play over it, like i said i cant control the actions of other players and neither want to. The game is more exciting when people do unexpected actions.

On top of this a gamey strategic redploy...yes use airbornes you say..I reckon even if I used an airborne Troy would have SR out anyway.

This game too many gamey moves and bullshit...I am considerign seriouly my involvment in any future games and you may be best without me because I will always complain. I wont standby and see what you guys are doing to a good game by all this gamey stuff.
If you dont think we have concerns to address here it means you are just out right biased. Strategically the Axis have been outplayed.....Its about time you got on with what your suppose to do in this game and not take advantage of Mighties inexperience.

I know Mighty means well but he will get crushed no matter how many planes or troops he builds. While you troops gain experience his will get wiped from the map.

Also since we change to this version no Lend Lease for UK event has happened for a logn time

Anyway I may play tonight or I may not...

With the SR, you dont have an argument. People have done this since we started playing hoi2 all the time. The game work by movement is attack, but wining battles dosnt mean you own the whole province. Winning a battle on the beaches with your marines, dosnt mean you instanly own the whole province. Italy still owns most of the province and has time to escape. I learnt along time ago to make encriclements work you need to keep those forces engaged with another battle or air attack, and then only maybe it works. I know its a pain but only when you look at the game in the wrong way, you dont own thep rovince when you win a battle there for you cant stop people escaping unless you paras in or keep those forces busy.

Up to you if you play or not but im not deciding my day and night on a maybe so ill make it easy for you, i wont be here tonight to play.

 

[Majorball]

I am playing just having my usual bit to say. You need to have more communication with Japan to avoid USA entry. Was not our fault.
I wish they would do away with the instant SR move...There should be a 2-3 day preparation period(and an extra day for every division). If the path is blocked in the meantime they reappear somewhere in between. If everyone is happy to continue this I guess I will just jump on the bandwagon

I dont think it right that the USA and UK must fight alone well into 1943.....If the others are happy with this I guess I have no choice. I just dont want it to be a precendent in other games where this sort of deal is made and Germanies main target is the UK homeland for 4 free years 1940,1941,1942,1943 while they have no other conflicts to worry about.

 

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OK, i agree with mike, but i also understand Majors point of view.

Quiet frankly the UK is not designed to take such a beating for so long and forces do need to be commited elsewhere however what is really starting to piss me off is this flash back to my inexperience. The decision of USSR in this game have absolutely fucking nothing to do with ym inexperience.... let me say this.

Germany and i bartered a deal to extend our NAP till 42, fine dandy and plaable. Now what it hink germany has realised is that with conquering spain he now needs most of the forces he built for barbarossa just to defend the axis empire. I highly doubt the axis can advance anyway apart from a tit for tat war over morooco.

When and if germany does attack USSR. Which i have never ever once said in this game that i AM NOT READY for. I have only said that Germany should set this timetable and that i wouldn't DOW axis until the Allies suffered a major loss or lost: Med Sea/Africa or if india was in direct peril of collapse. The Allies whilst being runs hort of manpower and forced intob uilding replacement convoys is waying heavily on my mind and i am beginning to feel a need to start the Soviet Axis WAR> But it has not been delayed because of inexperience, so both you clowns stop using that as a fucking excuse...

Queit frankly i dont think mike even with all his pretty planes could even scrath the USSR now, i find it very unlikely that he has the availblae force to defend spain and West Europe and attack me.

If he attacks me he will be walking right into 350 1941 Infantry Units MOST have been brigaded with artillery engineers and AC brigades. So by all odds germany even with his supreme airpower will need at least 200 infantry and 50 armoured units to even make a dint in the russian front. I have suffiencent HQ regiment to look after all those forces and the Marine arm is almost upto strength meaning that hitler is going to have a right shitful time in removing me from the marshes.

Equipment has been sold to both the Axis and the allies. And whilst my deal with mike does involve me sending him supplies as a NAP guarantee i am sending 4-5 times the amount of supplies to UK a day for nothing...........

I relize major has been bled horrendously and allied cassualties are starting to show through Majors morale, couple that with the replacement rate of convoys i CLEARLY understand what major is stressing about..... But the allies are yet to suffer a major defeat or blow (apart from the Merchant shipping). allies have lost Gibralter that is it.

I Clearly see your point and agree withy ou major UK isnt supposed to be bled this long..... However, as i have said time and time again if your going to play A histroically ever fucking game then i want out of this group. Simple factor is Axis have faced some pretty horrendous setbacks, and i cant imagine that the Japanese are picking up steam in the East..

Look at it from my perspective. I am not Pro Axis, though i supply and trade them.. I am not allied though i am investing vast proportions of supplies into them and some Dedly T34's that munster ra away from.

If i DOW germany right now.... Does mike have the army to stop me walking to Berlin?? I doubt it, he is too far streched. And his airpower wont be much good when im moving over 400combined arms experts through the field.

Come October the Russians will only have a few replacement infantry in long serial runs and the entire Industrial hub will be placed into advanced fighter construction and T34-2's.

So if i stop supplying the Axis and Allies right now and DOW germany i think what we will see is the reverse side of this story. Correct me if i am wrong mike but do you have the men in the field to protect all of Europe and launch barbarossa right now?

So it is completely upto Hitler as far as i am concerned, i have profitted 10 fold from my dealings this game. The Entire Russian Army is completely modernized and each day the germans delay there war against me i grow stronger and stronger.

Mike is going to be relying on his airforce very greatly, to stop me. which he should be able to until my Armoured and Air Prowess catch up (fucking horrendously slow Russian techs). What about Japan? Can he handle the 100 Divisionsi have stacked along the entire Asian Front?

I might be in deep shit as far as the air is concerned for a few more months, but as far as the game overall goes this non war between Axis and soviet has nothing to do with my inexperience, and any such sense is just bullshit so stop making that your argument regarding me. Yes you do need Help, yes Allies need the second front more then ever but as Mike and i have discussed in depth we plan to fight a long hard war, and that is what it will be.

My penalty will be playign catch up in the air (but then the soviets were relying on those Yanks haelping out without Aircraft deliveries) Mikes penalty will be the amount of Men he will face in the east. 400 Russians can be beaten easily yes.... But then all my Builds are about to be turned into long and numerous runs of Tanks mechanised units and advanced jets.. It will tkae him more then his mass airstacks to obliterate me in the east, especially if i get pushed bac across the river wheere after this year half those provinces will be lvl 10 AA..

I fell UK has surpassed his fingernails and is now sanding down his fingertips. relatively in a positon where he is going to die if something doesnt change. I sympathise with this and something needs to be done, but i fail to see how the timing of my Suprise DOW, or a German agreed NAP dow has anything to do with the Allies.

I have made decisions based on benefitting Russia. My concern of the British postion has me on full alert with units being recalled to within 200km of the German front and some million men on there way to Asia where Stalin IS preparing for the Liberation of Communist China. If this is succesful and the Allies get some more breathing space to contniue Operation in the Mediteraniean Sea against Italy i predict Italy and Japan being rendered obsolete within 12 months as far as operational capacity goes.

If major wasn't such a good player with UK i dont think mike and i would have made further negociations, having said that i can see that UK is beginning to slip in operationall capacity.... BUT. Major, you have done one fucking hell of a job with UK witht he pressure you have been under from he Axis.

The Idea of the Soviet Union is to let you 2 Bulwarks completely strip each others throat dry, then i DOW you both.

In any of my conversations with Mike, i have NEVER once said i am not ready to face the German Onslaught. I have been prepared sine Jan41... Just because im prepared for doesn't mean Germany has to do it right then and there.... The extra damage that is being dealt to the Allies now is what will buy Mike time to leave a skeleton staff in Western Europe and open Barbarossa. Once Barbarosa has opened up for 3 months i could only assume mike will be more cautious of his European holdings, but with the stagnation of Japan, the molestation of Italy. Germany needs to buy his time well. As far as i can see i have profitted from this too at the expense of the Allies.

But as i said above, whatever i have given to the Axis i have given 5times that to the Allies. Whatever the axis are rping fromt he Allies now is what will buy the Axis a few months to open barbarossa. If the Axis dont inflict heavy blows tot he Allies, then when they turn for Barbarossa it hink well find the axis in a world shit. Especially when i ally Communist China, which will probaly force Brazil to Ally to the Allies and subsequently give USA a Gear up for WW3.

So it is upto everyone.. I can cancel ALL my deals with axis and allies right now, and save myself the 55IC im supplying both parties as well as the numerous equipment i have set for sale.

I know Mike has some nasty shit install for me and i don't doubt his capacity to empoly it aginst me. BUT.. With Italian Setbacks, and Japan basically being forced to move men back to cover from me i think Barbarossa will be a very big Strategical switch for the axis, and i wouldnt be suprised if USSR walks away victorious with the Axis in the Dire position that currently behests the Allies.

 

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Germany getting attacked by Russia...

 

[Majorball]

Mighty
I admire your ambitious plans but I also took the liberty of loading up the Russians and having a look. I wish you all the best but from what I have seen your going to be in big trouble.
Do not rely on Allied aircraft being transferred to the Russians. 1 fighter transferred has to wait 30 days then it comes wiht 1 MP. If you know anything about planes it will take you 6-8 works at around 10 IC to fill its Manpower. When the shit hits the fan you will not have IC to spare for this. After the Axis crush you airforce in the first week your strength on all your planes will be less than 50%. You will need 150+ IC just to fill your aircraft for a period of 6-8 weeks. Your infantry with artillery will be overrun before they reach the next province -1MP. You will need to maintain 50+ IC just to replace reinforcements in your Infantry divisions. On top of this you can guarantee that if a 24 stack infantry retreats you will lose 6 divisions in retreat and maybe 10-12 if in woods or swamp when marching takes longer.

Dont get me wrong I am far from saying the Axis have the advantage in this game its just the type of game we are playing. If it happens in another sort of game it sets a precedence and any German player can do as he feels.
When I mention your inexperience its like this...Never give the Germans a free hand to move troops from the Russian border. Any deal with the Axis should be like this eg....tell them they must maintain 100 german divisions on the Russian border and 50% of their airforce. Try and tie any deals into keeping a few troops away from the Allies. The Allies need that threat from the East to keep the German player honest. Without it he can concentrate on the Allies in the west. In this game your are inexperienced when compared with Mike. But you will learn quickly.

When war starts you will have to maintain 70-90 IC in supplies. 50-60 IC in reinforcements. 30 IC in CG. If your lucky you may have around 150 IC for production. This reduces as the Germans advance. I am happy to go along with what ever games you want to play....
I am permitted to complain and threaten not to play like everyone else but I never do

 

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Ok, but the question remains.... Is this a call to pass that i cancel all deals with Axis and Allies.

And Start being Agressive.

 

[mike8472]

Mighty the forces i could put against you with in the next month or so are about 180 German Infantry, 40+ motorised & 40+ lvl III & IV tanks, all brigaded. Plus in a pinch about 150 units of my airforce. Ofcourse i doubt i will ever send that much, i need to prop up my italian lacky. My airforce was designed from the start of the game to put about 80 units into russia and have about 70 in the west, hence its size. Im waiting for a big UK/US bomber offensive.

This still leave 12 lvl 4 tanks in france and spain to protect beaches along with 80 hungarian/romanian/german forces. I could easily defend myself against a USSR DOW as nearly all the armour and mot never moved from poland and the bulk of the infantry are in warsaw. Just eh planning, placement and reorg of all airfroces and so takes a long tim to put in place. It would be a very rushed haphazard affair.

In the game besides sealion in 1940, the Germany & the UK have mainly fought in the air & sea. It certainly isnt any german or italian forces draining UK manpower. The only major loss has been Gibralter for the allies. Beside airforces operating from spain/italy and around turkey, there has neve been any german forces in africa land/air or sea. For most of the game beside gibralter the german army has been siting around doing jack.

The only thing germany can do at present is assit italy in the med via airpower and the sinking of convoys. Now major has said many times here that the sinking of convoys are having little affect on him. So either he is misleading us or it is having a massive impact on his game play. I havnt reciveved any reports from Japan or Italy of allied forces out of supply so i can only conclude that the UK is maintaing enough convoys. At our present rate of sinkings, averaging over 120+ per month, that would require 10-12 serial builds of convoys to maintain the supply system. At 4 IC each that means about 40-60 IC needed to build convoys. Even so with the assitance the USSR has been provinding and what the US should be giving, UK should'nt have to much trouble with this. Unless major built 2000+ convoys prewar which is possible.

My strategy the whole game has to been to maintain preasure on the UK via subs. Enven though i lose alot of subs, there cheap to replace and fun. It also ties up alot of US, UK & CW fleets hunting for my subs, plus heaps of bombers scouting the oceans, and the best of all it ties of there time constanly moving forces to try and hunt down my subs. For Germany building subs in long serial builds is cheap and quick once there up and running, dosnt cost much to keep 12 serial builds going all game. Espically if it is hurting the UK asm uch as mighty is eluding too. Im sure in time though this will also ease as the US puts more and more DD fleets into the atlantic.

 

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Sorry i cannot play monday , mai's father is having some trouable and i have to help them out

 

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Well , i am sorry to say but for once mike is right
History Hitler war with uk in 1941 uk was broken , eg NO waring front
So 80 % of his forces went into russia , and that is the way i have played and from there germany biuld up in france dont take place till end of 1941 still 5 months away .in time line i would have had many unit in france but game not working out that way , now , i have played japan and germany now and trust me if we dont have some more rules , we have NO game eg war anytime , why wait for daniz , japan can win then be in usa in 4 months .
1 rules i can see working is country attack rules eg. the game bellevince is wrong if the axis country war to much is should make country like usa war easyer but not anytime eg spain attacked usa war 1941 dec = new war time 6 months less so now germany looking at usa into war in 1941 june without japan waring . turkey again 6 months less now usa can war in 1940 dec without japan waring first .
So we should try this Rules out , USA can only war without be attacked if
sweden , spain ,turkey ,finland, china is out of the game .
And each 1 of there country is 6 months off the time line for 1941 dec .
So what will this fix , japan having 100 china units ready to attack uk in india
japan attack tibet back door into india , will help Uk by easy 50 % i think .
UK with still have Rock to war out of into the med and malta ,So uk can still make its fleet power count . and hold italy in this ports and in afrika . all big + for the UK .

Italy it will make Much harder to play but germany can help it much more if they can hold the sea zone between italy and afrika for landing troops , should not make taking the sus to hard , with germany help but that will be GO now .italy SAFE from USA and uk in the med till mid 1942 june for weather .UK will not attack italy know germany there to help now , MIKe germany hand not tieup . and italy free to war peria etc .THOSE little country NOTHING to USA at the time.hehee NO oil found yet .

Germany , well it up to you and japan to work it out what time line
eg war russia and spain same time , can you biuld units for USA landing troops into norway and france and spain in 2 months from russia war and it will take you 3 months to kill the spain and the rock .Good for Germany will have ally in finland ,90 % of units into russia for 6 month war .No second front , other 10% unit in france , norway , itlay but italy should hold its self easy till 1942 june .

Russia well you cannot kill finland , must make peace then event comes
Turkey is there still not back down into russia for germany and italy
You will be SAFE from japan NO 100 China units till 1942 dec anyway
USA can send you much more supplys not thinking about china out of game

USA , NOW you are in control you know time line .
your HANDS are tied buy your people you cannot war , but you can help in many ways , supplys ,units , if you biuld up some units ,and axis can see that you can war at anytime it BIG + for uk and russia , MAKE axis know he will be war with you from the the min you attack anyone . eg you can land units into spain fast then germany getting to the rock , 30 usa units into spain not good for germany , and uk and you have second front and troops landed , air base ports etc in spain .

Japan , italy and germany will know what country you will be waring and the time lines , you will not have 100 china to help you but you can win there in 4 monhts of going into war with the USA , your troops , air will be train up and war indust from the start of china war . . but it only take china about 6 months for you to get the china units into the game .


This is the only way we can play to make it =

 

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ok , i can play now , all is well

 

[Majorball]

Well I see some merit in Gunnies proposal.
How does the following sound:

Base USA war entry is 1 January 1942.

Each seperate DOW/Alliance with the following countries: Turkey, Spain, Sweden, Tibet, Persia brings forward USA entry by 6 months eg and attack on Spain would allow USA to join the war 1 July 1941(may not DOW japan unless Tibet was the country attacked). If Turkey and Sweden are DOW/brought in to alliance USA may enter 1st January 1941.

The reverse is also true: Should the UK/Russians ally with anyone of the above countries USA war entry is put back 6 months.

However Japan may DOW USA anytime from start of 1941 & USA may enter immediately should Japan DOW on the UK. Saying this any events which fire due to a successful Sealion may be honoured.

The USA is not required to join...but they may.

What does everyone say to this?

 

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And 1 other thing , witch any japan play will find out now ,
i attack 9 garrion usa units , they have NO air and no forts
with over 50 inf all brigdes units from different sea zones with air control , dont work when attack later with Mountian units 25 of then and inf 20 of them and nothing , dont hurt usa at all , it cannot be done
Yes marine are better but we are talking about not ever taking 10 org point off the garrion at the end of the battles ,
Island are small and should be seen that way , small land unit battle , big sea and air battle or and around it .
Making fort size = troops size per island
rules only for japan and usa , so japan will war and USA will war back
rules for fort biulding good now , already in rules
but Max troops for each island is 3 units
when war, biulding start as USA and japan into war fort will be biult
eg level 3 fort + 1 unit so at
level 6 fort + 2 units
so even after 1 year in war japan and usa will still war for islands . and can only hold island if they have air and sea control around each 1 .
As G is finding out , japan cannot attack from many zones at best 2 sea and 1 land and USA will find it out later in the game .
island will 9 units ,jungle , dug in etc cannot be taken .
pearl harbour Is not an island is land maths is to big etc. and some of japan place are to ,
It will work , once you have played japan you will see what i am talking about
and will make playing usa and japan much better ,

 

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Leave US entry up to the US player and his diplomacy sliders.

The game will never be 'equal' its not ment to be. The Axis will always have the advantage in the early years and the Allies will have the Advantage in the latter part of the game.

If the Axis want the US to stay out they should make some deals or mind their behavior to other nations.

Putting too many restrictions on entry dates will stifle the game and make it too predictable and boring.


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Are we playing tonight?? and which game??


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If we are to restrict the numbers of units allowed to defend islands then we should also restrict the number of attacking units allowed. (No 50 div invasions x 5 D-Day)

Maybe we could restrict islands to 1 unit for defence while at peace and lift all restrictions once at war????


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No Nolan,

Now that America gets it gearings properly from Japan, and no Bullshittery with chinese puppeting (removing Belligerence). IT is only fair that USA stays the hell out of the war until the Axis bring him into it. (wether it be by tomfoolery with other nations or a direct DOW). Otherwise axis can simply not handle the American and Soviet Behemoths in 41.... Which will lead to the scenario in our game where hitler presents no ill will to Stalin.

Im saying that as someone who prefers to play USA as opposed to Axis too. It is only fair otherwise Japan's game is futile and will simply dow you in 37 when your luckey if you have 6 armies.

 

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Wel thats up to the Jap player if he is silly enough to try that.

Keeping US entry to a date or a DOW by Axis will just give the Axis a free hand in Europe. You can put up trip wires like Spain, Sweaden and Turkey which may work but complicates things a bit.

If the USA is banned from entering before end of 41 and Axis is banned from attacking US untill that same time thats a very big advantage for US production. With nothing but factories being built state side till mid 1940. The game I think will be even more slanted to USA advantage in that case. With an uncertain entry date the US player has to gamble on when to start builing his forces. Does he start early and have to pay much more for his units but has an Army to fight with. Or should he wait to start and get to build at a much much cheaper rate later on. Guarenteeing the US has no war fears untill end of 41 makes it too easy for the US in this regard.


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[Majorball]

We can play this game tonight 7 or 8pm...noy sure on mighty and gunny.

From start of 1941 is ample surprise for USA...any attack earlier than this stuffs the game