Aussie DD game 1(Gunny as Germany)

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Well i am out of this 1 , good playing by major .and allies
Germany down fall , heavy tanks are great for holding the line but way to slow for pushing into russia , and rocket art again way to slow .and dont let your unit turn back them self in attacks .
I do think that when a Country attacks it would stand and fight very games for USA in denmark ,
I played game very real 90 % into russia first attack , hitler dont have to think about USA and UK at that time < hitler did say UK not a second front >
And i must say and i dont like this BUT mike is right with USA coming into the war so soon there is nothing the axis can do , without japan being ready , axis will fall ever time . I now see why germany and russia made a deal .
I would like too play another game as germany again please
I have learnt alot this game and will bring axis to victory .
Please .
Can major or Mighty G be my axis Italy please .

 

[Majorball]

Consider the deeper meaning of all this,

This means that players really do play to win, and once the result can - PERHAPS - be forseen, then we declare a result!

Meaning I cant see how a game will ever progress beyond say late 1942, as the minute the german army does NOT break the soviet lines, there is the subsequent deduction made that the Germans cannot win, so we may as well stop playing...or vice versa

I fail to understand this, and it means the DNA of every game is basically traced back to the situation in the Nile and mainly the situation in Dneiper.

Surely the fun of the game is to develop new units, technologies, fight in unknown geography, develop unorthodox diplomacy with new leaders etc.

Thats what DD IS!! - its an historical framework, with flights of fancy laded on top. Its not an attempt to be the best guderian...

We are stuck in a groove of thinking that is all about who can build the biggest/best germ or sov army, cos it doesnt matter what happens in GIB, Azores, alex - if the germs break through the sov guys surrenders, if the sov stops him the germ surrenders...The USA entry has made no impact on this in thie game when they have DOW, or other games when they HAVENT DOW.


what about the conquest of China, the taking of Australia, the loss of India, the defence of Spain, the fall of Italy, DDAy, on it goes....

and what about the Allies and Soviets - nuclear exchange, modern panzers, modern fleets....we have never got to this stage...

Its all about winning and putting up a pendant.

I would happily swap sides now and face down the russians all the way back to Berlin.

We want a fair dinkum game not one like this where USA in the war early stuffed the game. Not only were they in the war early they had full gearing due to Japan annexing China. In the end it ends up a one sided contest. Its been artificially kept afloat by dodgey deals. Gunny obviously doesnt want to play it out. Our other games have fallen apart in the past because the UK has been raped in the middle east and Persia resulting in the Russians facing multiple fronts. Our other games hopefully will go much better .....although an early 1939 war looms with Russia in out Monday game as the Soviets and germany cannot agree on a NAP. The games we havnt finished we before we have these new rules regarding USA, Japan and Soviet entry.

So although I am on the dominating side I am on Gunnies side here.

 

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To be honest im easy either way.

The Pacific theatre has only reall just come to life. Having said that the war and then peace with Russia was a bit crazy and the early conflict with USA has left my Offensive options very limited, other than that Japan isn't really in too bad a shape.

I guess it is upto Major and Joel most of all. Seeing as it will be there war that we dont get to fight. I guess alot like the other game we terminated it was a fairly one sided affair. But we always have the option to turn this into a Communism V Allies Affair.

Either way i wont mind.... Play on well have some fun, Start a new and we can skip the early American debauchery. I guess id probably prefer to start a new having said that, i don't like not finishing games :l

 

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MG if you dont like not finishing games you should play in some other group. Sadly it seems our group doesn,t have what it takes to finish a game.

I think JH,s idea of playing the 38 game may be better for our group. Less wasted time pre-war if our games only get to 42 before players want to quit.


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the 38 scen is the answer

Ive been banging on about 38 scen for ages,

why dont you guys give me a chance?

38 means>

1. less time spend in wasted nights, watching a screen make units...Probably cuts out 5 sessions..
2. smaller less lethal forces - at first - all round, leading to lesser aggression and more reality in the logistics of operations. More time to build up required, more delay - SLOW IT DOWN....
3. less beligerance with issues like china, spain etc,
4 more thinking on your feet, less time..
5. More historical set up for the start. But still flare afteward..

I would actually play 39 scen, for all the same reasons, but my political head tells me this would be unpalatable.

 

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Listen to me!!

The Forces In 36 Are Just Too Big And To Advanced!!!!

The German Army Was Only 40 Divs For The Invasion Of Poland!

What Do We Have - 80, 90, 120??

this Is The Route Cause Of The Problem,

Ditto For The Huge Russian Army!

Ditto For The Usa - They Had 3 Divs In 1939! Read Eisenhowers Biography!

 

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But i have a deep buring love for the 36' that gives me a woody every time i think about it

 

[Majorball]

Nolan
We have had big problems with our games due to the experience of players and certain things that happen in the game which makes it one sided. We have reached the end of 1943 in our games. Saying that the house rules we have in place and the experience gained by the newer guys should help to balance the game. Also things like picking players for different countries to keep it balanced. Its no good Mike playing Germany against someone who has never played Russia. Same with Gunny playing agianst Russia with me controlling them. If Gunny is playing Germany we probably need someone less familiar with the Russians. I am sure he has learnt from some of his builds and so has mighty in regards to annexing china and giving the USA full gearing.

I actually selected puppet from the event last night and it worked perfectly. Left me with 3 belligerence. So we do not need to add extra gearing into the USA becasue the event worked as required. I did not have to puppet countries indvidually to reduce dissent.

JH
On your issue with massive armies...Its all relative...Germany can build a bigger army but so can everyone else. Beleive me after the initial onslaught al lthe front settles down as air power has les effect.

 

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Ill still annex those chinese bastards every time. Its my land i tell ya all mine MUHAHAHAH!

 

[mike8472]

Well sadly if Germany (gunny) is not prepared to play on the game is over. I can understand gunny not wanting to play on the German army and airforce is in a sorry state, after the bitter fighting. Its not that gunny did anything wrong just major knows how to make the best use of the Soviet union where as gunny did not know with germany. for instance the first few months he attacks stalled as he could not syn his forces correctly. Once i helped him figure this out the german forces got on a roll and steam rolled the russians with there advance. had gunny this first few months im sure his advance would have been alot further then it was. Its all a learning experience, gunnies first major game as germany.

Hey gunny why dont you want me to be italy, Italy is strong an resolute against the allies. They wont be breaking through down here i gurantee it. Not for awhile at lest and it will cost them dearly. Also my first game as Italy i got some interesting ideas and plans for the next game.

So unless gunny is prepared to play a defensive war, so early in the game, i think its over.

I do agree with JH & Nolan and i have also complained alot about this in previous games. We never finish games, so what if germany pumps the USSR. Lets see if Germany can win totaly take the UK and US. So what if Germany is getting pumped lets see what happens with the USSR dominating Europe and can the allies fight them.

There is one option here. If gunny is indeed set on not continuing and the rest want to play. I can take oover germany an do the best i can, and munster can take over Italy. This is only if the others want to play on to see a WWIII.

 

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Even though with the USA early entry i dont think this game has been as unblanced as the other one. You know the one where Mike was too much of a pussy to attack USSR. :rofl: :rofl: :wacko:

I would like to see this play out. Gunny you shuold play on, Historically you know the Allies actually never engaged the German Army as it was nearing defeat from the Russians. Perhaps the Allies would be willing to see the German Bulwark saved in the face of Soviet agression?

Just doesn't seem right with France still under occupation

 

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Whichever option comes to be, the Japanese will not surrender unless were nuked twice , and at this rate itll be us yellow bastards who have the bomb first

 

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mikes idea

I fully support Mikes idea and wish to vote for it.

We should give Mike a month truce to settle in and then

play ball...

Welcome Munster...as italy - again my friend...


Lets get to ww3....

tonight?

tell me now as I can leave early...

Can we say 1800? My family is away..

 

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Thats an interesting Idea Mike ?

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[mike8472]

I dont think major is home rdy till 1900hrs EST.

Its only an idea and ofcourse gunny can have first preference to play Germany its his nation afterall. Im perfectly happy to play Italy and see what happens.

But if gunny dose not want to continue i can understand that. It is disapointing when things dont go your way, but its all about learning and Germany is the hardest of all nations to balance right and if you fail well the whole game changes for all.

So lets see if gunny turns up and wants to play on. Im sure mighty and Joel will continue there good fights in the pacific. Its only a matter of time before the allies make a big effort in europe or the med.

 

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Certainly the Pacific is enjoyable.

I vote for playing on. If Gunny wants out, thats cool, we can let mike step in.

As Jh mentions, we often seem ok to play games where the Axis are in the ascendency, but at first major reverse, the game is called off. There is as much fun playing a fighting retreat in my opinion as playing a successful advance. Plus, it means the players who tend to have more fun with attacks early on allow other players the same fun.

 

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Alot hinges on if Major wants to play a new human player as Germany (hes to afriad ill pawn him). And munster might not want to play Italy. Then also Gunny hasnt got a game to play. If we dont play then JH & Joel dont have a game to play. Oh the complexities of it all, damm. :wacko:

 

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game

well I am home now and can play when u want

music blaring

I am a bachelor again - bliss..

 

[Majorball]

There is no Germany army between my lines and berlin and it has all been SR away. This game has been kept artificially going and therefore anything we do is wasting time.

 

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There is no Germany army between my lines and berlin and it has all been SR away. This game has been kept artificially going and therefore anything we do is wasting time.

I'm curious as to why Gunny did this...

Anyways, it seems from the group vote in V-net that the game is over. Jh and I entertained thoughts of beating up on the AI, but instead I'll watch a video with the missus and commiserate each other about the entirely unfair Italian world cup win.

I think we can safely say the allies can claim victory in this game. For once though, it'd be nice to see Axis players have the stomach to fight a defensive battle even after the initiative has passed to the allies. If only Adolf had behaved like this IRL. After the first russian counter-attack in December 1941 the war would have been over otherwise...