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I think Vinland would have continue to trade with Europe and spread Christianity into America. Maybe they could be Orthodox.

About Norwegian colonynames:

Kaempeberg
Sommerstad
Mannefjord
Ostgaard
Falko
Torstad
Holmvik
Bjornsholme
Straamsund

BTW. I think that Norways capital should be Kaupung insteard of Oslo.

Tröndelag is the capital ATM.

Thank you for the names, they will surely be of use.

Orthodox? Interesting idea...

 

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My I suggest something?

i would love to play with pagan Slavic principalities in North Eastern Germany. Let's assume that they survived. I mean Obodrtitts and Velet Confederacy.

What plan for Poland you have?

Splitted Poland between the Teutonic order and Lithauania. Only Krakow will be Polish.
And as a quarter Prussian German, I could not tolerate that!

 

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Splitted Poland between the Teutonic order and Lithauania. Only Krakow will be Polish.
And as a quarter Prussian, I could not tolerate that!

Bastards!

 

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Hmmm, if Norway tried to take over (resulting in a short war and bad relations) them they could be Orthodox like Swabia.

So you mean that a nation switch culture because they are invaded by countries with the same culture as themself?

On the other hand, they can be some sort of protestants...

 

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Tröndelag is the capital ATM.

Thank you for the names, they will surely be of use.

Orthodox? Interesting idea...

Well Kaupung could still exist in Oslos place.

Do you like the idea of an Orthodox Vinland?

EDIT: Lunch, can't continiue disscussion. And no not another culture, only religion.

 

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How about this? We have Greenland, Vinland (New Founland), Markland (Labrador) and Helluland (Baffin Island) that interacts with each other?

 

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Splitted Poland between the Teutonic order and Lithauania. Only Krakow will be Polish.
And as a quarter Prussian German, I could not tolerate that!

We could still have Poznan as well as Kraków...

 

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I propose survival of Great Moravia for Bohemia, Lausitz, Slovakia and Southern Poland. And rest of Poland+Pommern+Mecklemburg - pagan principalities: Polans, Pomorcy, Velet Confederacy and Obodritts.

 

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I propose survival of Great Moravia for Bohemia, Lausitz, Slovakia and Southern Poland. And rest of Poland+Pommern+Mecklemburg - pagan principalities: Polans, Pomorcy, Velet Confederacy and Obodritts.

I seriously doubt these weren't converted by 1019.

 

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How about this? We have Greenland, Vinland (New Founland), Markland (Labrador) and Helluland (Baffin Island) that interacts with each other?

Would they have had enough colonist to all become indepedent states?
However it is quite an interesting idea, it would make it less boring to play with Vinland.

 

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I seriously doubt these weren't converted by 1019.

Pomortsy, Obodritts and Velets weren't.

Poland had a pagan urprising in 1030s. Rulling king was expelled and country collapsed into anarchy. This period is litttle obscure, but most probably population returned to paganism.

 

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Would they have had enough colonist to all become indepedent states?
However it is quite an interesting idea, it would make it less boring to play with Vinland.

Say that after Leffe Eriksson discovers Vinland, most people gets attracted to Vinland itself. However IIRC, people still turned to Markland and Helluland to get wood. Say that they settled it instead of going forth and back. It would be slow expansion, but they had 400 years...

 

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Pomortsy, Obodritts and Velets weren't.

Poland had a pagan urprising in 1030s. Rulling king was expelled and country collapsed into anarchy. This period is litttle obscure, but most probably population returned to paganism.

Still, how long would they be able to keep the press from the adjacent countries and especially the Teutonic Order?

 

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Still, how long would they be able to keep the press from the adjacent countries and especially the Teutonic Order?

Teutons must come to the Baltic in the first place. Teutonic Order was invited by Masovian duke Konrad who could not deal with his aggressive pagan neighbors (Old Prussians). He hoped that the Teutons will be a kind of border guards for him. As we all know, the Teutons outmaneuvered him. But perhaps they would not get the idea to settle there by themselves.

Slavic principalities - Velets and especially Obodritts (plus minors like Ranes and Habelans) were immense military powers. They were in constant conflict with all their Christian neighbors from 800s to mid 1100s when they were finally destroyed by combined coalition of Danes and various German states after years of heavy fighting. The Christians defeated them one by one because during that last campaign the pagans could not ally themselves.

 

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I rather see Northern Poland and other pagan Slavs as heavily militarized, aggresive states. Decades of constant wars with Christians would probably turn them into centralized though somehow obscurant (siege mentality) powers.

There is possibility to create a block of pagan states in Central and Northern Europe: Slavs, N Poles, Balts (Prussians, Lithanians, Latvians), + pagan Scandinavia if you plan to make them pagan too.

 

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Say that after Leffe Eriksson discovers Vinland, most people gets attracted to Vinland itself. However IIRC, people still turned to Markland and Helluland to get wood. Say that they settled it instead of going forth and back. It would be slow expansion, but they had 400 years...

In that case it is ok for me,but sadly Baffin Island (Helluland) isn't on the map.
But it would be possible that they settled on other neighbouring coasts or islands ( like Nova Scotia , Epelwik or Anticosti )

 

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In that case it is ok for me,but sadly Baffin Island (Helluland) isn't on the map.
But it would be possible that they settled on other neighbouring coasts or islands ( like Nova Scotia , Epelwik or Anticosti )

That's sad. Anyway. Then we'll just drop Helluland or relocate it. There could be some sort of issues with the names as when they reached Anticosti, they thought it to be Helluland.

 

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That's sad. Anyway. Then we'll just drop Helluland or relocate it. There could be some sort of issues with the names as when they reached Anticosti, they thought it to be Helluland.

Well, actually Helluland means "Land of Flat Stones", so I think it would be better be north of Markland (which would best contain Sukinimiut and Labrador), so maybe you could set it in the province "Nunavik"(the province just north of Labrador)? Or we could just skip helluland (I think the climate on Baffin Island would be to harsh for a decent medieval state) and say they had a totaly new colony in Anticosti ( we would have to find a decent name then ).

 

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Well, actually Helluland means "Land of Flat Stones", so I think it would be better be north of Markland (which would best contain Sukinimiut and Labrador), so maybe you could set it in the province "Nunavik"(the province just north of Labrador)? Or we could just skip helluland (I think the climate on Baffin Island would be to harsh for a decent medieval state) and say they had a totaly new colony in Anticosti ( we would have to find a decent name then ).

Yeah, the last issue was why they should call it Helluland by accident. And then some alternately created historician in the alternate 20th century can discover the issue.

 

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Yeah, the last issue was why they should call it Helluland by accident. And then some alternately created historician in the alternate 20th century can discover the issue.

Ehm, Vikings who don't know their own language?
Or are their many flat stones on Anticosti?
There is something I don't understand, why should they think an island called in their language called "Land of Flat Stones" is actually Anticosti? (I don't know the geographi of that Island, if it is indeed rocky, then is this possible)