Assuming the next patch is the "Scandinavia" patch what would you like to see in the patch?

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A redo of Scandinavian National Ideas, missions, and events. As the game stands right now, there is never any reason to form Scandinavia. It’s a late game formable whose fixed idea set is both weaker than any of its potential progenitors, and utterly outclassed by all of it’s possible neighbors.

Currently, if you form Scandinavia as Sweden you lose all the great Swedish combat ideas for substantially weaker ones. All the Swedish flavor events disappear. The mission tree goes from somewhat limited but Swedish-centered, to totally generic. Norway and Denmark’s focused idea sets get replaced by a mishmash that doesn’t work or flow with either idea set. Nor can Scandinavia’s ideas stand up successfully against their neighbors.

Russia, Great Britain, and the Commonwealth can easily form in the early-to-mid 1500’s. A good player can get the HRE organized to form Prussia/Germany/Holy Roman Empire by the mid-to-late 1500’s.

Meanwhile, Scandinavia is time locked to the mid-1600’s at the earliest, and it’s ideas and mechanics are vastly inferior to… everyone around them. So why would anyone ever want to form Scandinavia?

Either redo the Swede/Dane/Norway NI’s so that Scandinavia’s NI’s extend and enrich their particular play styles, or have Scandinavia inherit the progenitor’s NI’s.

I’d also have Scandinavia inherit instead of overwrite the missions and events of their progenitor.

But even though these quick-fixes might remove the worst negatives of forming Scandinavia, it’s just a bandaid. At best, it leaves Scandinavia as just a mid-1600’s graphical update for Nordic culture nations. These fixes by themselves don’t provide a really compelling reason for people to form this regional conglomerate.
 
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I'd be hoping for:

Missions for :

- Sweden
- Denmark/Danmark
- Norway
- Livonian Order (already confirmed)
- Teutonic Order (already confirmed and shown)
- Kurland
- Estonia
- Livonia
- Lithuania
- Poland (Minor Rework)
- Finland

New Music
Unit Models for:

- Baltic Minors (Livonia and Estonia)
- Colonial Models for Scandinavian Culture Group
- Kurland
- Finland

Miscellaneous:

- Alt-history way to revive Norse
- Alt-history way to revive Baltic Pantheon/Paganism
- Colonial paths for Scandinavian nations (Most notably an expanded branch for Denmark and Sweden)
- More DHEs for Baltics and Scandinavia
- More Dynamic Formable Ideas for Scandinavia
- A United Baltic Nation (Something for the late game if a Baltic Culture Group nation "unifies" the Baltics)


It should be noted that missions are the most obvious feature of the DLC and so I'm hoping for a larger number of the nations with missions here, but I'm also attentive to graphical changes a bit more considering I love the small details the art team chooses to include.

Added: Potential to revive Baltic Pantheon/Paganism
 
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Unique "United Scandinavia" formables.

For example:
- Denmark forms SCA = Kalmar Union
- Norway forms SCA = Nordic Empire
- Sweden forms SCA = Scandinavia
- Finland/Sapmi forms SCA = Sami Empire.
- Gotland forms SCA = Ragnarria
This is a great idea! It would be really cool if the different formables had their own ideas and missions too (perhaps expanding the original nation’s tree).

Just curious where did you get the name Ragnarria from? It’s a cool name but I wonder why not Gothia or Gothic Empire?
 

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This is a great idea! It would be really cool if the different formables had their own ideas and missions too (perhaps expanding the original nation’s tree).

Just curious where did you get the name Ragnarria from? It’s a cool name but I wonder why not Gothia or Gothic Empire?
Ragnarria came from Ragnar Lothbrok, the legendary warrior from Scandinavia. Gothia or the Gothic Empire sounds like a formable for Theodoro. And Gutnia sounds weird.
 
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More missions and flavor for Russia, such as an alternative Republican Russia, missions/flavor/events for central asian conquest+caucasus resulting in temp claims for east anatolia, northwest persia, khorasan, and afghanistan.

Even more, I want the mission "Found Arkhangelsk" to be available for Russia! It was the russia tsardom who founded it in the first place, not Novgorod!
 
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More missions and flavor for Russia, such as an alternative Republican Russia, missions/flavor/events for central asian conquest+caucasus resulting in temp claims for east anatolia, northwest persia, khorasan, and afghanistan.

Even more, I want the mission "Found Arkhangelsk" to be available for Russia! It was the russia tsardom who founded it in the first place, not Novgorod!
Speaking of Russian Republic, this came to me randomly: Idea groups based on religion, culture, and government type. I think Flavour Universalis has examples of this when you can get different Persian ideas if you are Muslim or Zoroastrian.
 
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A redo of Scandinavian National Ideas, missions, and events. As the game stands right now, there is never any reason to form Scandinavia. It’s a late game formable whose fixed idea set is both weaker than any of its potential progenitors, and utterly outclassed by all of it’s possible neighbors.

Currently, if you form Scandinavia as Sweden you lose all the great Swedish combat ideas for substantially weaker ones. All the Swedish flavor events disappear. The mission tree goes from somewhat limited but Swedish-centered, to totally generic. Norway and Denmark’s focused idea sets get replaced by a mishmash that doesn’t work or flow with either idea set. Nor can Scandinavia’s ideas stand up successfully against their neighbors.

Russia, Great Britain, and the Commonwealth can easily form in the early-to-mid 1500’s. A good player can get the HRE organized to form Prussia/Germany/Holy Roman Empire by the mid-to-late 1500’s.

Meanwhile, Scandinavia is time locked to the mid-1600’s at the earliest, and it’s ideas and mechanics are vastly inferior to… everyone around them. So why would anyone ever want to form Scandinavia?

Either redo the Swede/Dane/Norway NI’s so that Scandinavia’s NI’s extend and enrich their particular play styles, or have Scandinavia inherit the progenitor’s NI’s.

I’d also have Scandinavia inherit instead of overwrite the missions and events of their progenitor.

But even though these quick-fixes might remove the worst negatives of forming Scandinavia, it’s just a bandaid. At best, it leaves Scandinavia as just a mid-1600’s graphical update for Nordic culture nations. These fixes by themselves don’t provide a really compelling reason for people to form this regional conglomerate.
Scandinavia doesn't have national ideas though. You just keep your original ones. Scandinavia was also 'buffed' in that they now keep all events from the original country that forms it, so it's not a big no-go anymore to form it.

It should still get an idea set and maybe a set of missions though.
 
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Yeah I'd really like to see a Novgorod/Pskov-formed Russia get something unique instead of just turning into the same Russia as Muscovy.
 
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Oh yeah, I'd also like a redesign of Scandinavia's flag. I get it, it's the Kalmar Union's flag and it's the closest we have to a flag for a unified Scandinavia but it's just... so... so eye-wateringly ugly. Truly, spectacularly grim. If they'd made the yellow more golden, and the red a touch deeper I think it would look alright - good, even - but the current state of neon red on lemon yellow is truly one of the worst flags in the game. Up there with Bahrat and Revolutionary Britain in terms of sheer disappointment factor on forming the nation.
 
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A few ideas from me (sorry in advance for my semi-good english) that are mostly concering Sweden, due to what i know most about. Also, i'l try to exlude things already given in dev diaries.

Improved mission trees for at least:

Sweden
Norway
Denmark
Finland
Lübec

More flavour for Sweden, mostly regarding it's independence, it's need to establish a new royal line, and for the swedish reformation. Also the hanseatic leuge should get some, showing how importat they were, being kingmakers in both Sweden and Denmark.

Unique missions and ideas for Scandinavia, and please, a better colour.

And please, no norse religion, as it's totaly unhistorical. Some sort of paganism in the southern baltics on the other hand, would work i gues.

And, my most unrealistic idea (since it's not realy baltic) is both some flavour for the baltic countries invoulment in the leuge war (mostly Sweden and Denmark), and, in conection to this, some reworking of the leuge war, and a possibility for hussites/reformeds and maaaaybe anglicans to become emperous, giving more reasons to play all religions.
 
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A few ideas from me (sorry in advance for my semi-good english) that are mostly concering Sweden, due to what i know most about. Also, i'l try to exlude things already given in dev diaries.

Improved mission trees for at least:

Sweden
Norway
Denmark
Finland
Lübec

More flavour for Sweden, mostly regarding it's independence, it's need to establish a new royal line, and for the swedish reformation. Also the hanseatic leuge should get some, showing how importat they were, being kingmakers in both Sweden and Denmark.

Unique missions and ideas for Scandinavia, and please, a better colour.

And please, no norse religion, as it's totaly unhistorical. Some sort of paganism in the southern baltics on the other hand, would work i gues.

And, my most unrealistic idea (since it's not realy baltic) is both some flavour for the baltic countries invoulment in the leuge war (mostly Sweden and Denmark), and, in conection to this, some reworking of the leuge war, and a possibility for hussites/reformeds and maaaaybe anglicans to become emperous, giving more reasons to play all religions.
Lubeck had a rework in Emperor, what makes you want them to have another rework? As far as I believe, Lubeck doesn't need anything new
 

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Lubeck had a rework in Emperor, what makes you want them to have another rework? As far as I believe, Lubeck doesn't need anything new
Honestly, you'r right. At least as for the mission part! I must have had some tags mixed up in my head.

Their mission tree totaly holds up, but, and I cant realy put my finger on it, there's just some thing that's lacking when playing as them. This might be conected to the rather poor state that tradig republic is in at the movement, but some more flavour just would be nice.
 

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Honestly, you'r right. At least as for the mission part! I must have had some tags mixed up in my head.

Their mission tree totaly holds up, but, and I cant realy put my finger on it, there's just some thing that's lacking when playing as them. This might be conected to the rather poor state that tradig republic is in at the movement, but some more flavour just would be nice.
Here is the missions for Lubeck. It is fun if you want to try it!

 

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Scandinavia doesn't have national ideas though. You just keep your original ones. Scandinavia was also 'buffed' in that they now keep all events from the original country that forms it, so it's not a big no-go anymore to form it.

It should still get an idea set and maybe a set of missions though.
Did it?

I know that when I did the Dane and Swedish achievements (waaaaaay back in 1.17.1) that forming Scandinavia was not going to help either nation.

But lots of things have changed since then.