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While this would be a good idea if the game played out further past 1920, this is really out of historical context. Really what you are talking about is international state sponsored terrorism. It simply does not work in this time period.

I would be very unhappy to see either the direct or indirect methods being discussed here to end up in the game.
 

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Originally posted by Gjerg Kastrioti
"And in other news today, Prime Minister Disraeli was assassinated by Prussian agents. This brings to ten the number of British Prime ministers assassinated by Prussian agents. Her Majesty is understood to not be amused, and has written a firm letter to her cousin the King of Prussia asking him to stop this naughty business."

ROFL :D
 

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Originally posted by Ignatz
Anarcist movements were stronger in countrys that heavily suppressed Labour Unions (such as Russia, Spain and USA).

Maybe suppression of unions should lead to growth of anarcism which, in turn, leads to assasinations?

Anarchism (as its commonly written in the English language) were very strong in the period 1870 to 1920 in many countries: not only the ones which heavily suppressed Labour Unions.

Anarchist assassinations of members of government after 1870 that I recall off the top of my head occured in:
France
The United States
Russia
Spain

This tendency was not central to anarchism. It arose out of a theory called in Russia "Propaganda of the Deed" associated with popularist movements (Narodniks, literally "Village People").

The idea was that killing the rulers was inspiring to ordinary working people, and would get them thinking politically and into armed revolt. The idea was not to disable the government by killing its elements. Propaganda of the Deed finds its natural apotheosis in the French "Bonnot Gang" of Anarchists, the first group to use get away cars in bank robberies.

For more information on the French anarchist scene, try Victor Serge's memoirs.

For more information on the role of Assassination in American Anarchism try Emma Goldman's Living my Life (vol. 1).

Incidentally, after assassination, Anarchism moved on to Industrial Unionism (IWW, CGT, CNT) which was quite successful. Before 1917 most governments feared Anarchism rather than Communism: the communism movements had been "brought to heel" in the form of the parliamentary socialist parties. Anarchism was still in favour of armed revolts and fighting bosses wherever whenever ;).
 

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Good post. I take from it that the anarchist movements were not state sponsored and that they did not necessarily have borders.

Unless someone can come up with some examples from the time period indicating that at least some of these movements were state sponsored - and the Germans transporting Lenin back to Russia doesn't count;) - then, as cool as the idea is, allowing a diplomatic option for subversion of other Western powers just would not fit comfortably in this game.
 

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Assasination of Spanish Premier Cánovas del Castillo was sponsored by a Cuban independentist.
 

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Originally posted by Txini
Assasination of Spanish Premier Cánovas del Castillo was sponsored by a Cuban independentist.

But the question is, were they sponsored or given any assitance by a state. There are lots of examples of civil unrest and rebellion during the period but what is being proposed in this thread is a function in the game that would allow one state to assist in the subversion of another state.

I just don't think that is historically accurate. On the contrary, it seems that it would be in the best interests of all the States involved to quash the various rebellious movements - not to help them spread.
 

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well there was not Cuban Goverment by that time :p
 

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I have to eat some crow on this topic. A documentary on last night said that Germany funded Lenin's propoganda efforts once he was back in Russia.

But this is at the end of the game for Victoria. Are there any other instances of State sponsored subversion early in the time period?