Assassination

[Moltke]

Will this be a feature of the diplomatic options available to aspiring world leaders? It would be interesting to be able to put a hit on heads of state and foreign ministers to cause policy changes (or even unpredictable reactions).
I'm curious to see what forms (if any) of subversion make it into Victoria. Wouldn't you love to be able to blame such tactics on third party nations to instigate conflict?

 

[cassa61]

yes that would be a cool idea and i hope they try to implement it.
maybe it could be extended to military leaders as well...?

 

[unmerged(17173)]

I could just see the headlines now:

THE NEW YORK TIMES

ARCHDUKE FERDINAND ASSASSINATED
SERBIAN AGENTS SUSPECTED

 

[Matija]

I have see something similar in "Shogun:Total war" there you could assassin generals with Ninja units....it was a nice feature and I would like to see it in Victoria too.

 

[Zagys]

This was never a big factor historically. Why should the game revolve around it?

 

[Minodrin]

This was never a big factor historically. Why should the game revolve around it?

Read rmsharpes post maybe? Never a big factor?

 

[Txini]

Originally posted by Minodrin
Read rmsharpes post maybe? Never a big factor?

No, Archduke Franz Ferdinand wasn't popular between the ruling classes in Wien, he was sent to visit an hostile country, and Austria was waitting for something they can blame the Serbs to fall over them.

 

[unmerged(18213)]

I think direct official involvement in such assasinations were minor at the time, most of them being perpetrated by anarchists or nationalits and as such best modeled by random events. However these elements were of course recieving foreign support from time to time so perhaps a diplomatic possibility to increase the risk of such an event to fire for your enemies, or something.

 

[unmerged(18249)]

I dont think direct assassinations should be possible. There should be a factor, where you can support radicals through financial aid abroad. the security of ones own nation would then also depend on your domestic settings. To overthrow a autocratic, well organised, industrial police-state would be hard.

Supporting rebellions should be possible, so that certain provinces would session and join your realm.

Lets say you support a certain group in a neighbouring country through financial and intelligence aide. That group then decides on its own to assassinate a minister ect. An event window open with opptions: "The XXX has been assassinated by XXX nationalists. the Goverment of XXX blames you of supporting the terrorists. How will you reply:

a) Deny any involvement and offer sum of $ xx as condolence. Your ministers will attend the funeral. Diplomatic credibility stays stable.

b) Deny any involvement and express outrage over accusation. Set ultimatum for an apology and mobelize army.

c) Demand freedom for the opressed nationalety and group XXX (rise in credibility/popularety of such nationals in other countries, war risk with countries opressing such rises ect.)

ect. ect.

 

[Moltke]

That sounds like a viable option, Wilhelm. I like it actually better than my own

 

[Morpheus506]

Hm, that is a really good idea.

 

[unmerged(15764)]

Nope i can imagine what would happen if direct assasinations occured, with leaders getting killed everywhere, i like wilhelms idea where you can help terrorists etc.

 

[Niptium]

I think this will be involved just like any other events in EU2 or in HOI. I mean, this [assassination option] could lead to some wicked murder pow wows that would disrupt the normal course of the game.

 

[Erc]

One probably shouldn't be able to conduct assassinations directly, but one could fund insurgents in neighboring countries who might happen to assassinate someone (they would have a greater probability of doing so with your help)--of course this makes you liable if the target country discovers your aid to the insurgents.

Now I realize I pretty much said the same thing as Wilhelm. So good idea, Wilhelm.


Of course, there's always the random chance of anarchist assassinations (McKinley, the Empress of Austria, etc.), assassinations due to dissatisfaction from a certain group of pepole (Garfield???), etc.

 

[Tim O]

In response to the arrival of Perry's ships in Japan ninjas assisnate President Franklin Pierce!

 

[Ignatz]

Anarcist movements were stronger in countrys that heavily suppressed Labour Unions (such as Russia, Spain and USA).

Maybe suppression of unions should lead to growth of anarcism which, in turn, leads to assasinations?

I dunno´

 

[Morpheus506]

Originally posted by Timothy Ortiz
In response to the arrival of Perry's ships in Japan ninjas assisnate President Franklin Pierce!

Causing a premature war with Japan which ends with Japan being an American puppet and thus Pearl Harbor never is bombed and America comes into WWII too late to save Britain and aaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!

 

[unmerged(18213)]

Originally posted by Morpheus506
Causing a premature war with Japan which ends with Japan being an American puppet and thus Pearl Harbor never is bombed and America comes into WWII too late to save Britain and aaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!

Luckily, the game ends 1920.

 

[Moltke]

Poor Franklin Pierce

It would be cool as the USA to fund the Texas independence movement. Or as Britain, France, Prussia, etc the Confederate independence movement.

again, excellent idea Wilhelm

 

[unmerged(11633)]

Well, although there might be an option for funding insurgents, I really don't like the idea of being able to take out "hits" on other nation's politicians. This isn't Mafia. I can see the headlines now-

"And in other news today, Prime Minister Disraeli was assassinated by Prussian agents. This brings to ten the number of British Prime ministers assassinated by Prussian agents. Her Majesty is understood to not be amused, and has written a firm letter to her cousin the King of Prussia asking him to stop this naughty business."