Asking for vassalization?

[Kraska]

So I play with Germany, managed to create it in 1511 after playing with Brandenburg, however now I have a very big problem called Bohemia. Bohemia became a very powerful and big country and the only way to annex it right now would be to ask it nicely to become my vassal. Sure I could also try a PU or use the HRE but that would take too much time, plus Bohemia has Regency and my kind is no big diplomat (or anything else ). However when I try to ask them to form an aliance it tells me that it's impossible.

My quetion is why is it like this? Has Bohemia's Regency anything to do with it? And what are the chances for a country to actually accept to become a vassal?

 

[unmerged(465279)]

You can pretty much forget about any country with three, but more often just two provinces or more to agree to a vassalisation request. Unless you force it through war of course.

Also no country will agree to alliances if they already have three, most of the time.

 

[cuendillar]

You can pretty much forget about any country with three, but more often just two provinces or more to agree to a vassalisation request. Unless you force it through war of course.

Also no country will agree to alliances if they already have three, most of the time.

Actually, 3PMs are no problem to diplovassalize, but larger than that will always refuse independent of your own size. It is also possible to get alliances with countries that already has as many as four (possibly even five), given good enough diplo skill.

My approach (slightly unorthodox, but pretty much infamy-free) would be to gather a large enough SoI to make up for your rudeish king, if you have enough minors or own vassals nearby. If you consider it doable to beat them militarily, force them to release countries no larger than 3 provinces each and diplovassalize all of those. You'll have the alliances in place due to force-releasing them and they will all be 200 relation monarchies (assuming compatible religions) so they won't refuse the marriage proposal.

 

[Qemarar]

If it's as big as you say, it's going to be impossible to make them a vassal without war. A country of 5+ provinces will never accept peaceful vassalization. It's impossible. Second, if you go to war with them they'll still be too big to vassalize in one go. You'll have to fight them and make them release independent states until the second war to vassalize them.

 

[unmerged(465279)]

If it's as big as you say, it's going to be impossible to make them a vassal without war. A country of 5+ provinces will never accept peaceful vassalization. It's impossible. Second, if you go to war with them they'll still be too big to vassalize in one go. You'll have to fight them and make them release independent states until the second war to vassalize them.

This might not be true, I have an example I experienced today; I vassalized a 7 province Finland playing as Norway, and it cost me only 76% warscore (so I squeezed some ducats out of them as well).

 

[grommile]

If it's as big as you say, it's going to be impossible to make them a vassal without war. A country of 5+ provinces will never accept peaceful vassalization. It's impossible. Second, if you go to war with them they'll still be too big to vassalize in one go. You'll have to fight them and make them release independent states until the second war to vassalize them.

Vassalization in war depends in fine detail on the quality of the provinces. Even a two-province country could potentially be too valuable to vassalize through warfare; some (as noted) seven-province countries aren't.

 

[Pewt]

If you have a mission to vassalize someone (only occurs with certain country-specific ones, such as "The Burgundian Inheritance" and "Vassalize France"), you can vassalize someone of an arbitrarily large size due to the way the game works. There's a max warscore cost, the CB halves it, and then the remaining cost is small enough to burn down by long term occupation before a white peace is forced.

 

[Qemarar]

This might not be true, I have an example I experienced today; I vassalized a 7 province Finland playing as Norway, and it cost me only 76% warscore (so I squeezed some ducats out of them as well).

Reread what I said. " A country of 5+ provinces will never accept peaceful vassalization." He wanted to vassalize Bohemia without war and I was saying that was almost impossible.

 

[unmerged(465279)]

Reread what I said. " A country of 5+ provinces will never accept peaceful vassalization." He wanted to vassalize Bohemia without war and I was saying that was almost impossible.

Read what I said, notable the bolded part.