Playing as Sweden and I have easily won this war, but should I get provinces or independence? (those provinces are my cores)
Ask for independence or get provinces?
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I haven't played that much as Sweden yet, but it seems kind of silly if you DoW him for independence and then settle for some provinces (which you can also take later) and say: "Okay, I got some land, I'll be in a personal union under you again." By that I want to ask: don't you get independence regardless?
If you don't want to take the risk, go independent and DoW them for the provinces later.
Independence. Allows for more flexibility and the AE cost for annexation using the independence CB is atrocious. You can always take them back later for practically nothing using the reconquest CB. That said... Depending on the situation, you may want to try and get Holstein as your vassal.
In my Sweden game I kept taking provinces every independence war until I got a king that wasn't awful. Turned out to be a very good strategy, imo.
I thought that if you won a Independence War you automatically got your independence, no matter what you asked for.
Haven't played Sweden in 1.5 but previously I've had no problems getting both my independence and provinces in the peace deal so I guess that's an option too.
Haven't played Sweden in 1.5 but previously I've had no problems getting both my independence and provinces in the peace deal so I guess that's an option too.
Yeah, it was changed in 1.5. Now you have to actually ask for independence to get it, but I think you can still get some provinces along with it if the war score for independence is low enough.
This.
What I did in my Sweden game was to war just enough and quickly to be able to go independent. After that that you just break truce and immediately redeclare with reconquest cb.
Denmark allies wont come their military is still shattered and you can easily go for 100% warscore.
As a note you cant take over vassals with Independence CB, I tried. Either its a bug or intended but you cant take Holstein as your vassal
I asked for provinces. I am so naughty. 
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Denmark is so much weaker than I am. Will I get independence if I fully annex them? :rofl:
oDenmark is so much weaker than I am. Will I get independence if I fully annex them? :rofl:
I asked for provinces. I am so naughty.
Denmark is so much weaker than I am. Will I get independence if I fully annex them? :rofl:
I really, really would recommend discontinuing that course of action. The aggressive expansion one racks up for taking provinces using the Independence CB is horrifying. Also, being stuck under a weak Denmark is a waste of time. Normally, I would gain independence the first war, then reconquer and conquer until I can vassalize them. Once you've integrated them, you've suddenly got Holstein and Norway free of charge, which gives you a gateway proper into Germany as well as lets you focus on taking out the Russians. I believe there's an AAR currently being written that uses a similar strategy.
I conquered all my previous cores and no one joined a coalition against me which I thought was odd but I got the provinces.
That's kinda stupid in my opinion. Seems to just open up for the player to do gamey stuff, like grow big while still being "protected" by the overlord.
I know , I know, I don't need to use gamey stuff if I don't want to and singleplayer and whatnot but I still don't see the reason for the change.
I was able to snag the 3 southern provinces and independence in one war. Scotland and Teutonic Order were my allies for independence.
45 AE was kind of a lot. Novgorod and Denmark coalitioned me. I still have cores on Gotland and that province in Norway to snag, so I'll probably try to get Gotland and free Norway from Denmark, then take my core from Norway.
45 AE was kind of a lot. Novgorod and Denmark coalitioned me. I still have cores on Gotland and that province in Norway to snag, so I'll probably try to get Gotland and free Norway from Denmark, then take my core from Norway.
If the overlord is weak enough for you to consistently win independence wars, it's not exactly offering you a great deal of protection. It'll also drag you into other wars sometimes, which sucks.
I think CBs in general should be made more meaningful. They should offer bigger warscore cost reduction to their primary function and maybe have penalties to taking things that are not part of the wargoal. It would be nice to be able to force convert slightly bigger countries with the holy war CB for instance.
I just grabbed my swedish cores in a 2nd war (first one going independence+gotland) and near-instantly became the target of a coalition dow of all baltic minors So, might as well have annexed/conquered the tax out of denmark, I'm for sure not going to be able to vassalannex them anytime soon.
(On the plus side, this means Lituania will now wreck the baltic coalition for me and when I DOW Denmark in 5 years they wont have any manpower left to help whatsoever.)
So, might as well have annexed/conquered the tax out of denmark, I'm for sure not going to be able to vassalannex them anytime soon.(On the plus side, this means Lituania will now wreck the baltic coalition for me and when I DOW Denmark in 5 years they wont have any manpower left to help whatsoever.)