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Interstellar Dominion: 23
Mastery of Nature: 10
Technological Ascendancy: 25
Transcendent Learning: 15
Voidborne: 21
Grasp the Void: 13
Eternal Vigilance: 11
Galactic Force Projection: 18
Machine Worlds: 13
Master Builders: 13
World Shaper: 19
Colossus Project: 14 (-2)
Defender of the Galaxy: 14
Galactic Contender: 5
Galactic Wonders: 15
Biological Ascension (Engineered Evolution+Evolutionary Mastery): 13 (+1)
Synthetic Ascension (The Flesh is Weak+Synthetic Evolution): 17
Psionic Ascension (Mind over Matter+Transcendence): 19
 

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Imperial Prerogative: 13
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Voidborne: 21
Grasp the Void: 13
Eternal Vigilance: 11
Galactic Force Projection: 18
Machine Worlds: 13
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Colossus Project: 12 (-2)
Defender of the Galaxy: 14
Galactic Contender: 5
Galactic Wonders: 15
Biological Ascension (Engineered Evolution+Evolutionary Mastery): 13
Synthetic Ascension (The Flesh is Weak+Synthetic Evolution): 17
Psionic Ascension (Mind over Matter+Transcendence): 19

Colossus is late game, while interstellar dominion is a first pick that leaves you with flexibility to claim more systems and/or invest in a couple early game edicts.

This.
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Games.
 

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guys there was a copy paste error like 10 posts ago that removed Executive Vigor from the list at 20 points so it should look like this now

Executive Vigor 20
Imperial Prerogative: 13
Interstellar Dominion: 24
Mastery of Nature: 10
Technological Ascendancy: 25
Transcendent Learning: 15
Voidborne: 21
Grasp the Void: 13
Eternal Vigilance: 11
Galactic Force Projection: 18
Machine Worlds: 13
Master Builders: 13
World Shaper: 19
Colossus Project: 12
Defender of the Galaxy: 14
Galactic Contender: 5
Galactic Wonders: 15
Biological Ascension (Engineered Evolution+Evolutionary Mastery): 13
Synthetic Ascension (The Flesh is Weak+Synthetic Evolution): 17
Psionic Ascension (Mind over Matter+Transcendence): 19

not moving anything since i already did so today just putting back the executive vigor
 

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Grasp the Void: 13
Eternal Vigilance: 9 (-2)
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World Shaper: 19
Colossus Project: 13 (+1)
Defender of the Galaxy: 14
Galactic Contender: 5
Galactic Wonders: 15
Biological Ascension (Engineered Evolution+Evolutionary Mastery): 13
Synthetic Ascension (The Flesh is Weak+Synthetic Evolution): 17
Psionic Ascension (Mind over Matter+Transcendence): 19

Day 3!
Eternal Vigilance is incredibly lackluster since defense platforms don't really add much to your starbases' combat utility, they get expensive, and they need to be constantly upgraded. Definitely the least useful of the remaining perks.

Colossus Project seems to be getting a lot of hate, and while I get the reasoning, I don't agree with it. Having access to the Total War casus belli is the real draw, being able to just take stuff without claiming it is really nice in the late game (which is when this perk comes into play anyway, so it works out). It helps you reach those victory conditions faster if that's what you're going for. Being able to utterly wipe out planets (or assimilate them, which is a bit OP, honestly) is also super fun, especially against hoighty-toighty awakened empires that think they're so much better than you.
 

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Being able to utterly wipe out planets (or assimilate them, which is a bit OP, honestly) is also super fun, especially against hoighty-toighty awakened empires that think they're so much better than you.

Blowing up a planet to get less than one tile's worth of mineral output is inefficient. "Colossis Project" is misnamed, should be "Totally Easy War (plus Colossus)"
 

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Executive Vigor 20
Imperial Prerogative: 13
Interstellar Dominion: 24
Mastery of Nature: 10
Technological Ascendancy: 26 (+1)
Transcendent Learning: 15
Voidborne: 19 (-2)
Grasp the Void: 13
Eternal Vigilance: 9
Galactic Force Projection: 18
Machine Worlds: 13
Master Builders: 13
World Shaper: 19
Colossus Project: 13
Defender of the Galaxy: 14
Galactic Contender: 5
Galactic Wonders: 15
Biological Ascension (Engineered Evolution+Evolutionary Mastery): 13
Synthetic Ascension (The Flesh is Weak+Synthetic Evolution): 17
Psionic Ascension (Mind over Matter+Transcendence): 19

I hate Voidborne. No matter how good habitats are per tile, 200 influence is way too high a cost.

Technological Ascendency is your good, old solid bread-and-butter basic bonus. Perhaps not that great flavour wise (I like my APs flashy), but it does its work admirably.
 

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Imperial Prerogative: 13
Interstellar Dominion: 24
Mastery of Nature: 10
Technological Ascendancy: 26
Transcendent Learning: 15
Voidborne: 19
Grasp the Void: 13
Eternal Vigilance: 7 (-2)
Galactic Force Projection: 18
Machine Worlds: 14 (+1)
Master Builders: 13
World Shaper: 19
Colossus Project: 13
Defender of the Galaxy: 14
Galactic Contender: 5
Galactic Wonders: 15
Biological Ascension (Engineered Evolution+Evolutionary Mastery): 13
Synthetic Ascension (The Flesh is Weak+Synthetic Evolution): 17
Psionic Ascension (Mind over Matter+Transcendence): 19
 

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Executive Vigor 20
Imperial Prerogative: 13
Interstellar Dominion: 24
Mastery of Nature: 10
Technological Ascendancy: 26
Transcendent Learning: 13 (-2)
Voidborne: 19
Grasp the Void: 13
Eternal Vigilance: 7
Galactic Force Projection: 18
Machine Worlds: 13
Master Builders: 13
World Shaper: 20 (+1)
Colossus Project: 13
Defender of the Galaxy: 14
Galactic Contender: 5
Galactic Wonders: 15
Biological Ascension (Engineered Evolution+Evolutionary Mastery): 13
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2 leader levels are not worth ascension perk, even it was instant +2 lvls, instead of crawling from 8 to 10.
Governers? They already get 10 easy enough (4 from tradition+tech and there are lots of ways to get another one - civic, race trait or event)
Rulers? Much easier to put your lvl 10 governer there.
Scientist? Leading research gives too little exp. And it's just 4% bonus at best.
Admirals? Well, maybe. But it's just 6% fire rate. Same as 1 extra repeatable tech.
Generals? Just build another cannot meat army.
Not to mention synth leaders who get 10 lvl cap just because. And every empire but spiritualists can use them.
 

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Day 3

Executive Vigor 20
Imperial Prerogative: 13
Interstellar Dominion: 24
Mastery of Nature: 10
Technological Ascendancy: 26
Transcendent Learning: 13
Voidborne: 19
Grasp the Void: 13
Eternal Vigilance: 7
Galactic Force Projection: 18
Machine Worlds: 13
Master Builders: 13
World Shaper: 20
Colossus Project: 13
Defender of the Galaxy: 12(-2)
Galactic Contender: 5
Galactic Wonders: 15
Biological Ascension (Engineered Evolution+Evolutionary Mastery): 13
Synthetic Ascension (The Flesh is Weak+Synthetic Evolution): 17
Psionic Ascension (Mind over Matter+Transcendence): 20(+1)

Defender of the galaxy should only be picked in emergency situations, like when the crisis comes early and spawns inside you, otherwise it's not worth it, even a 5x power crisis is beatable without it with an otherwise well enough prepared empire. The opinion modifier is fine, yet too small to be worth it alone, also diplomacy at the current state of the game is useless anyway.

Psionic Ascension was already mentioned many times
 
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What an interesting thread idea. While a lot more long-form, I think it's better than a direct poll for figuring the order of best and worst.

Executive Vigor 20
Imperial Prerogative: 13
Interstellar Dominion: 24
Mastery of Nature: 8 (-2)
Technological Ascendancy: 26
Transcendent Learning: 13
Voidborne: 19
Grasp the Void: 13
Eternal Vigilance: 7
Galactic Force Projection: 18
Machine Worlds: 13
Master Builders: 13
World Shaper: 20
Colossus Project: 13
Defender of the Galaxy: 12
Galactic Contender: 5
Galactic Wonders: 16 (+1)
Biological Ascension (Engineered Evolution+Evolutionary Mastery): 13
Synthetic Ascension (The Flesh is Weak+Synthetic Evolution): 17
Psionic Ascension (Mind over Matter+Transcendence): 20

Galactic Wonders: While it may not strictly be optimal Influence spending, I have a soft spot for megastructures, Dyson Sphere in particular. I have banked hard on its massive energy production at times of war and crisis, going for more mineral production and fleet upkeep capability instead. In an older game, the DS basically kept my economy afloat while I threw everything I had against the Prethoryn. The other two are nice as well.

Mastery of Nature: I just don't think Land Clearance is worth it in Influence or increased production. At best, you'll get three more tiles for production, but just about everything else you can do with influence achieves more, including all the wonders.
 

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Eternal Vigilance: 7
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Machine Worlds: 13
Master Builders: 13
World Shaper: 20
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Defender of the Galaxy: 12
Galactic Contender: 3 (-2)
Galactic Wonders: 16
Biological Ascension (Engineered Evolution+Evolutionary Mastery): 13
Synthetic Ascension (The Flesh is Weak+Synthetic Evolution): 18 (+1)
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Interstellar Dominion: 24
Mastery of Nature: 8
Technological Ascendancy: 26
Transcendent Learning: 13
Voidborne: 19
Grasp the Void: 13
Eternal Vigilance: 7
Galactic Force Projection: 18
Machine Worlds: 13
Master Builders: 13
World Shaper: 20
Colossus Project: 13
Defender of the Galaxy: 12
Galactic Contender: 1 (-2)
Galactic Wonders: 16
Biological Ascension (Engineered Evolution+Evolutionary Mastery): 13
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Interstellar Dominion: 24
Mastery of Nature: 8
Technological Ascendancy: 26
Transcendent Learning: 13
Voidborne: 19
Grasp the Void: 13
Eternal Vigilance: 7
Galactic Force Projection: 18
Machine Worlds: 13
Master Builders: 13
World Shaper: 20
Colossus Project: 13
Defender of the Galaxy: 10
Galactic Contender: -1 (-2)
Galactic Wonders: 16
Biological Ascension (Engineered Evolution+Evolutionary Mastery): 13
Synthetic Ascension (The Flesh is Weak+Synthetic Evolution): 18
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Day 3.
Technological Ascendancy is always one of my first picks, it's just all around useful.
Still not a fan of psionics. So much RNG and I don't really think the covenants are that good.

Galactic Contender removed from list.
 

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Transcendent Learning: 13
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Blowing up a planet to get less than one tile's worth of mineral output is inefficient. "Colossis Project" is misnamed, should be "Totally Easy War (plus Colossus)"

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