devil said:Why would you think that, everyone wants his provs
Mhmmm ... Majbe youre right.
We will see.
But what about Greek culture and TUR tag ?
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Mhmmm ... Majbe youre right.
We will see.
But what about Greek culture and TUR tag ?
that could be because he is sunni instead of catholic, but I don't know ryo needs to answer thatMelchior said:so another thing discovered when looking at the cores of my closest neighbours (nice cores marocco has
All,
If room can be made for me, I've had a look at the scenario now and I'm keen on playing...
And I realize I'm already violating my two-games-per-week vow, but fuck it.
If room can be made for me, I've had a look at the scenario now and I'm keen on playing...
And I realize I'm already violating my two-games-per-week vow, but fuck it.
devil said:Ryo had allready saved a spot for you.
I wonder what nation that will be
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Well either we do:
Adam -> Muscowy
HG -> Golden Horde
Or we just move HG to Iraq or Petra
Adam -> Muscowy
HG -> Golden Horde
Or we just move HG to Iraq or Petra
devil said:Well either we do:
Adam -> Muscowy
HG -> Golden Horde
Or we just move HG to Iraq or Petra
The first is kinda tricky; Because moskva will be squashed between many nations; And not be able to colonize.
The second; ok.
Personally I don't find the golden horde in the best strategical position.
I would like to switch to oman or something like that; Or to a improved position in Golden horde.
(I also like the sea and colonial empires.)
But if not; I won't mind
Updated Roster
What will be something like this:
Scotland: Devil (ICQ:95526937) (Host)
Petra/Mameluks: HolisticGod (ICQ:273839083)
Flandern: Fredrik (ICQ:83278192) (backup Host)
Sicily: Drake (ICQ:280012044)
Milan: Forzaa (ICQ:112746755)
Prussia: Dommo (ICQ:99056306)
Finland: Rezag (ICQ:211492374)
Morocco: Juv (ICQ:103632632)
Leon: Melchior (ICQ:322501249)
Byzantium: Ryoken (ICQ:177505043) (GM)
Golden Horde: Adam (ICQ:226082513)
Hungary: Earendil (ICQ:82941754)
What will be something like this:
Scotland: Devil (ICQ:95526937) (Host)
Petra/Mameluks: HolisticGod (ICQ:273839083)
Flandern: Fredrik (ICQ:83278192) (backup Host)
Sicily: Drake (ICQ:280012044)
Milan: Forzaa (ICQ:112746755)
Prussia: Dommo (ICQ:99056306)
Finland: Rezag (ICQ:211492374)
Morocco: Juv (ICQ:103632632)
Leon: Melchior (ICQ:322501249)
Byzantium: Ryoken (ICQ:177505043) (GM)
Golden Horde: Adam (ICQ:226082513)
Hungary: Earendil (ICQ:82941754)
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devil said:well we might put you in oman, then HG in golden horde, I think that is best
What will be something like this:
Scotland: Devil (ICQ:95526937) (Host)
Golden Horde: HolisticGod (ICQ:273839083)
Flandern: Fredrik (ICQ:83278192) (backup Host)
Sicily: Drake (ICQ:280012044)
Milan: Forzaa (ICQ:112746755)
Prussia: Dommo (ICQ:99056306)
Finland: Rezag (ICQ:211492374)
Morocco: Juv (ICQ:103632632)
Leon: Melchior (ICQ:322501249)
Byzantium: Ryoken (ICQ:177505043) (GM)
Oman: Adam (ICQ:226082513)
Hungary: Earendil (ICQ:82941754)
Nice.
I hope Omani provs count as european in the randomizer
Adam,
They don't, assuming that the randomizer uses the map properties.
I agree on Moscovy, but I suggest either Jordan or Iraq as the playable state (particularly given that Oman is Shiite). I'm fine with either, though to be perfectly frank I'd prefer a place in the Middle East as my top choice in randomized games so far, Egypt, as eluded me, and because it's possibly the point of maximum conflict outside Southern Europe (and I, of course, will makes sure it's the point)
Golden Horde is a walk, as the world is being randomized and it has the only immediate access to Siberia, which means huge manpower, and the manpower fest that will be Russian culture.
They don't, assuming that the randomizer uses the map properties.
I agree on Moscovy, but I suggest either Jordan or Iraq as the playable state (particularly given that Oman is Shiite). I'm fine with either, though to be perfectly frank I'd prefer a place in the Middle East as my top choice in randomized games so far, Egypt, as eluded me, and because it's possibly the point of maximum conflict outside Southern Europe (and I, of course, will makes sure it's the point
)Golden Horde is a walk, as the world is being randomized and it has the only immediate access to Siberia, which means huge manpower, and the manpower fest that will be Russian culture.
yeah agree, shiite sucks.HolisticGod said:Adam,
They don't, assuming that the randomizer uses the map properties.
I agree on Moscovy, but I suggest either Jordan or Iraq as the playable state (particularly given that Oman is Shiite). I'm fine with either, though to be perfectly frank I'd prefer a place in the Middle East as my top choice in randomized games so far, Egypt, as eluded me, and because it's possibly the point of maximum conflict outside Southern Europe (and I, of course, will makes sure it's the point
Golden Horde is a walk, as the world is being randomized and it has the only immediate access to Siberia, which means huge manpower, and the manpower fest that will be Russian culture.
Updated roster, let ryo decide. Adam back in GH
HG in Petra/Mameluks so far.
Devil,
Nah. Mamluks are too close to Morocco to be fair to Juv.
Jordan or Iraq-Iraq being preferable except for those damn Shiite provinces.
Nah. Mamluks are too close to Morocco to be fair to Juv.
Jordan or Iraq-Iraq being preferable except for those damn Shiite provinces.
Ok, i'll take GH then
I ran a test game with the GH and it was disasterous, ... Very low income; Inflation due to gold; small mp ...
Therefore I didn't want to take em.
But the randomizer will flatten things out.
I ran a test game with the GH and it was disasterous, ... Very low income; Inflation due to gold; small mp ...
Therefore I didn't want to take em.
But the randomizer will flatten things out
.
HolisticGod said:
Bah.. there's two countries between Mamluks and Morocco, while there's only ONE between Milan-Sicily, Milan-Hungary, Hungary-Byzantium, etc.
In short: Mamluks-Morocco is about the farthest neighbours you can get
ForzaA said:Bah.. there's two countries between Mamluks and Morocco, while there's only ONE between Milan-Sicily, Milan-Hungary, Hungary-Byzantium, etc.
In short: Mamluks-Morocco is about the farthest neighbours you can get
Offcourse; But Morroco lacks other neighbours.
Pre Game AAR.
These were the Mongols. Their leader, Temujin, proclaimed himself supreme ruler of all Mongols in 1206 and assumed the title of Genghis Khan. Genghis Khan invaded China, captured Peking and then conquered an empire that reached from the Pacific to the Volga river, and under his successors nearly all Russia became tributary to the Mongols (or Tartars as the Russians called them).
The Mongol Empire in its entirety stretched from Chosun ( Korea ) all the way across to the edges of Judea ( Jerusalem ). After Genghis Khan's death, his sons continued the legacy and expanded the greater Mongol Empire's boundaries. Northern parts of the Southeast Asian region, India, the Middle East, Siberia, Russian Principalities, and Eastern Europe as far as Hungary and Poland, have all felt the influence of the Mongols in one shape or form. This huge expanse was said to involve so many cultures at one time, that Rome itself had never seen. However, the ideals of a greater Mongol Empire pretty much died when his grandson, Kublai Khan, came to power. Kublai Khan was very fascinated with the Chinese culture, and so focused his power there. For the first time after many centuries of turmoil, Kublai Khan unified all of China in the 13th century. He moved the Mongol capital from Karakorum to Peking, disturbing many within his court. Eventually he enforced Mongol retainers to adopt everything which was Chinese, even made arranged marriages of Mongol officials with Chinese and Korean nobles. It was a time for Chinese prosperity, but a time for Mongol despair. The Mongolian culture was fading with Kublai Khan, and this caused a rift within the greater Mongol Empire. Kublai Khan eventually forgot altogether his heritage, and the rest of the Empire was divided amongst those who claimed Genghis Khan's ancestry, and others who were born from Genghis Khan's most loyal of retainers.
One of the most prominent branches of the Mongol Empire was called The Golden Horde. The Golden Horde was established by one of Genghis Khan's grandsons, Batu. At one point Genghis Khan gave more power to his generals, allowing them to find their own destinies. In exchange, they all pledged their undying loyalty to Genghis Khan, and upheld his law called the Yassa. Batu, one of the greater of Mongol leaders, led his armies past through the Urals, and invaded the Russian Princes. The regions were cold, but the Mongol were used to harsh winter from their native Gobi Desert. The conquest and vassalization of Moscow, ensured their dominion, and ruled in the name of Genghis Khan. Noted for their armored dress, the Golden Horde became one of the more wealthier Mongol branches. At one period the Golden Horde held dominion from the Crimea all the way up to Novgorod, bordering countries such as Sweden, and Lithuania. At one point the Mongols went as far as Hungary and Poland. But these last years the Golden horde was battered and broken, Leaving only a margin of the former strength.
The Russian Principalities declared independance; The crimera and Kazan were ruled by Sheiks not too familiar or friendly to the horde.
But not for long ... An advisor of the Sheik, El Adam Arrived at the court some weeks ago. Great plans are being made for the Horde, Very great plans.
The Golden Horde
These were the Mongols. Their leader, Temujin, proclaimed himself supreme ruler of all Mongols in 1206 and assumed the title of Genghis Khan. Genghis Khan invaded China, captured Peking and then conquered an empire that reached from the Pacific to the Volga river, and under his successors nearly all Russia became tributary to the Mongols (or Tartars as the Russians called them).
The Mongol Empire in its entirety stretched from Chosun ( Korea ) all the way across to the edges of Judea ( Jerusalem ). After Genghis Khan's death, his sons continued the legacy and expanded the greater Mongol Empire's boundaries. Northern parts of the Southeast Asian region, India, the Middle East, Siberia, Russian Principalities, and Eastern Europe as far as Hungary and Poland, have all felt the influence of the Mongols in one shape or form. This huge expanse was said to involve so many cultures at one time, that Rome itself had never seen. However, the ideals of a greater Mongol Empire pretty much died when his grandson, Kublai Khan, came to power. Kublai Khan was very fascinated with the Chinese culture, and so focused his power there. For the first time after many centuries of turmoil, Kublai Khan unified all of China in the 13th century. He moved the Mongol capital from Karakorum to Peking, disturbing many within his court. Eventually he enforced Mongol retainers to adopt everything which was Chinese, even made arranged marriages of Mongol officials with Chinese and Korean nobles. It was a time for Chinese prosperity, but a time for Mongol despair. The Mongolian culture was fading with Kublai Khan, and this caused a rift within the greater Mongol Empire. Kublai Khan eventually forgot altogether his heritage, and the rest of the Empire was divided amongst those who claimed Genghis Khan's ancestry, and others who were born from Genghis Khan's most loyal of retainers.
One of the most prominent branches of the Mongol Empire was called The Golden Horde. The Golden Horde was established by one of Genghis Khan's grandsons, Batu. At one point Genghis Khan gave more power to his generals, allowing them to find their own destinies. In exchange, they all pledged their undying loyalty to Genghis Khan, and upheld his law called the Yassa. Batu, one of the greater of Mongol leaders, led his armies past through the Urals, and invaded the Russian Princes. The regions were cold, but the Mongol were used to harsh winter from their native Gobi Desert. The conquest and vassalization of Moscow, ensured their dominion, and ruled in the name of Genghis Khan. Noted for their armored dress, the Golden Horde became one of the more wealthier Mongol branches. At one period the Golden Horde held dominion from the Crimea all the way up to Novgorod, bordering countries such as Sweden, and Lithuania. At one point the Mongols went as far as Hungary and Poland. But these last years the Golden horde was battered and broken, Leaving only a margin of the former strength.
The Russian Principalities declared independance; The crimera and Kazan were ruled by Sheiks not too familiar or friendly to the horde.
But not for long ... An advisor of the Sheik, El Adam Arrived at the court some weeks ago. Great plans are being made for the Horde, Very great plans.
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Sorry for the lack of attention, I have been busy with Mother's Day and finishing up schoolwork. I will be able to put a lot of attention into this game tommorow.
Adam,
Very nice.
Forza,
Yes, yes. But it's not distance I'm talking about-number of provinces in which to expand... Morocco is already mostly screwed on that count.
Very nice.
Forza,
Yes, yes. But it's not distance I'm talking about-number of provinces in which to expand... Morocco is already mostly screwed on that count.
Okay, here is the new roster.
Scotland: Devil (ICQ:95526937) (Host)
Aleppo: HolisticGod (ICQ:273839083)
Flandern: Fredrik (ICQ:83278192) (backup Host)
Sicily: Drake (ICQ:280012044)
Milan: Forzaa (ICQ:112746755)
Prussia: Dommo (ICQ:99056306)
Finland: Rezag (ICQ:211492374)
Morocco: Juv (ICQ:103632632)
Leon: Melchior (ICQ:322501249)
Byzantium: Ryoken (ICQ:177505043) (GM)
GoldenHorde: Adam (ICQ:226082513)
Hungary: Earendil (ICQ:82941754)
I will be putting it up on the first post once I get this up. I put HG in Aleppo to add some balance and keep me in check. If he is opposed to being an Orthodox country, I would support a move to Petra and give more cores and an extra culture. I would prefer that we be Orthodox brothers fighting to convert the Islamic heathens! Anyway, I think he will be best for game balance in the Sinai area where there is a power-hole.
There is no "relations bug" because there are no relations entries. The game determines your relations by some formula I do not know. And I dont feel like going in and putting in relations entries for everyone. So GET BETTER AT FIGHTING AI, which is terrible. I have never had trouble with AI kicking my ass in this scenario. You have a brain, use it! And there is no difference in starting money; everyone gets 250. You get less than that if you have difficulty set higher than normal, iirc. We will be playing on normal/normal so no problem.
Some Clarification on the Scenario Randomization:
About 2 hours before game start, I will run the randomizer. I will spot-check the file for any problems with distribution (such as a large cluster of gold in Egypt). If there is a problem, I will just redo the randomization until everything is nice. I am Byzantium, so you dont have to fear that I will redo the randomization until it suits me, I have virtually no colonial opportunities and I am not a cheating bastard.
What will be randomized:
Manpower
Base Tax
Goods
Number of Natives in ROTW
Monarchs
Leaders
What will NOT be randomized:
COTs
Native Aggression (the game refuses to save the randomized values, we are trying to fix it, but havent yet).
Province Control/Ownership
Army/Navy Size
Treasury
DP Sliders
Scotland: Devil (ICQ:95526937) (Host)
Aleppo: HolisticGod (ICQ:273839083)
Flandern: Fredrik (ICQ:83278192) (backup Host)
Sicily: Drake (ICQ:280012044)
Milan: Forzaa (ICQ:112746755)
Prussia: Dommo (ICQ:99056306)
Finland: Rezag (ICQ:211492374)
Morocco: Juv (ICQ:103632632)
Leon: Melchior (ICQ:322501249)
Byzantium: Ryoken (ICQ:177505043) (GM)
GoldenHorde: Adam (ICQ:226082513)
Hungary: Earendil (ICQ:82941754)
I will be putting it up on the first post once I get this up. I put HG in Aleppo to add some balance and keep me in check. If he is opposed to being an Orthodox country, I would support a move to Petra and give more cores and an extra culture. I would prefer that we be Orthodox brothers fighting to convert the Islamic heathens! Anyway, I think he will be best for game balance in the Sinai area where there is a power-hole.
There is no "relations bug" because there are no relations entries. The game determines your relations by some formula I do not know. And I dont feel like going in and putting in relations entries for everyone. So GET BETTER AT FIGHTING AI, which is terrible. I have never had trouble with AI kicking my ass in this scenario. You have a brain, use it! And there is no difference in starting money; everyone gets 250. You get less than that if you have difficulty set higher than normal, iirc. We will be playing on normal/normal so no problem.
Some Clarification on the Scenario Randomization:
About 2 hours before game start, I will run the randomizer. I will spot-check the file for any problems with distribution (such as a large cluster of gold in Egypt). If there is a problem, I will just redo the randomization until everything is nice. I am Byzantium, so you dont have to fear that I will redo the randomization until it suits me, I have virtually no colonial opportunities and I am not a cheating bastard.
What will be randomized:
Manpower
Base Tax
Goods
Number of Natives in ROTW
Monarchs
Leaders
What will NOT be randomized:
COTs
Native Aggression (the game refuses to save the randomized values, we are trying to fix it, but havent yet).
Province Control/Ownership
Army/Navy Size
Treasury
DP Sliders