As France, is mass province conversion to Protestant inevitable? Any way to fight it?

[marceror]

Province after province is converting. There seems to be little point in converting back to Catholicism, because it will just get converted back.

So I'm wondering if fighting it is just completely futile? I've been trying to remain a staunch Catholic nation, and this seems to be working against me.

I would appreciate any pointers for how to run a successful Catholic France.

 

[Zqrfmb]

well, your last national idea gives +2 heretic tolerance, and I think restraint of appeals, edict de nantes, adn humanism will keep you together as nominally catholic until the religious zeal and reformation centers go away (centers disappear in 1650). You can also take the coutner reformation, religious ideas, and a theologian advisor and brute force through the misisonary strength malus, but you lose the counter reformation when you get liberte fraternite et egalite, so that would only work for so long.

 

[Xinkc]

Why would you want to stay Catholic? Protestant/Reformed France is the best France.

 

[Incompetent]

You can certainly stay nominally Catholic, and with Humanist ideas, the last French NI, and Edict of Nantes you never really have to worry about the normal kind of religious turmoil. Unfortunately, France has a special 'Wars of Religion' event chain that triggers purely based on number of wrong-religion provinces, so it can hit even if your religious unity and tolerance are immaculate.

 

[FrosT37]

The base tolerance to heretics of any religion is -2, but as catholic you get another -1 on top of that.

That means you need +6 tolerance to heretics if you want to stay as a catholic and not bother about reformation.

You can get:
+2 from NI
+1 from 100 Legitimacy
+1 from Declaration of indulgence
+2 from Edict of Nantes (from the Wiki, so I hope the information is reliable)

TOTAL: +6

So, assuming you don't take any decision lowering tolerance to heretics, you should technically be able to stay catholic all the game without taking Humanist. And, as far as I know, only France is able to pull that off.

 

[Dorevai]

I stayed catholic, vassalized the pope, and excommunicated my enemies. Don't enact the counter-reformation. It prevents the edict de nantes and slows down your tech speed. France just blows through this period with the edict.

 

[Xinkc]

You can certainly stay nominally Catholic, and with Humanist ideas, the last French NI, and Edict of Nantes you never really have to worry about the normal kind of religious turmoil. Unfortunately, France has a special 'Wars of Religion' event chain that triggers purely based on number of wrong-religion provinces, so it can hit even if your religious unity and tolerance are immaculate.

If you tolerate them all, nothing really happens outside the start and the end. It was kind of disappointing when I played a Reformed France and got the event chain.

 

[mtgdjs]

To actually stop the conversions you need to annex and convert whatever nearby center of reformation is doing the converting.

 

[Beagá]

Does AI France EVER see wars of religion?

 

[Haccoude]

If you tolerate them all, nothing really happens outside the start and the end. It was kind of disappointing when I played a Reformed France and got the event chain.

IIRC the modifier caused by the event chain reduces tolerance, though a humanist France with all of its NIs can have 3 tolerance even with that modifier.

 

[ChildeR]

Whether it's inevitable. Depends entirely on where the centers of reformation happen. In my only 1.8 France ame there was one in Switzerland, but nothing else within range. Zero conversions, before I got far into HRE territory.

 

[Alerias]

Absolutely not inevitable. All you must do is convert away the center of reformation causing you problems. Conquer the province, hire a friendly Inquisitor, stack up on +missionary chance and hammer it down. Then its over.

Admittedly there are benefits to converting away from catholicism now that its so damn hard to secure control over the Curia. Catholic is still superior is you're aiming at WC, because you can realistically be the only Catholic nation left by 1600 as France.

 

[spinoza013]

Just out of curiosity, is there a st. Bartholomew's Day massacre event in the game?

 

[Beagá]

Absolutely not inevitable. All you must do is convert away the center of reformation causing you problems. Conquer the province, hire a friendly Inquisitor, stack up on +missionary chance and hammer it down. Then its over.

Admittedly there are benefits to converting away from catholicism now that its so damn hard to secure control over the Curia. Catholic is still superior is you're aiming at WC, because you can realistically be the only Catholic nation left by 1600 as France.

Well... Cathedrals?

I stayed catholic, vassalized the pope, and excommunicated my enemies. Don't enact the counter-reformation. It prevents the edict de nantes and slows down your tech speed. France just blows through this period with the edict.

France led by player can do anything almost regardless of choices, but the conter-reformation was always a weak choice. Now, even more.

 

[daringly]

Why would you want to stay Catholic? Protestant/Reformed France is the best France.

100 Papal influence gets you a stability point. That's a replacement for Admin points. Why do you like Protestant/reformed so much?

 

[Dorevai]

Reformed is pretty sick though. Protestant feels so ~meh in comparison. Game needs a way to represent the gradient forms of theological differences so we can see gallican, anglican, presbyterian, old catholic, etc.

 

[Freudia]

100 Papal influence gets you a stability point. That's a replacement for Admin points. Why do you like Protestant/reformed so much?

Protestant is saved points across the board when taking ideas, and since you're western, you're going to be taking a lot of ideas. Reformed is bonuses to either trade, morale, or realm stability, iirc, and morale is pretty sick in 1.8. It's kinda like 1.5 levels of sick again.

 

[gaius valerius]

Province after province is converting. There seems to be little point in converting back to Catholicism, because it will just get converted back.

So I'm wondering if fighting it is just completely futile? I've been trying to remain a staunch Catholic nation, and this seems to be working against me.

I would appreciate any pointers for how to run a successful Catholic France.

FIGHT IT YOU HERETIC Counter-Reformation is one option. Religious Ideas also help

 

[grommile]

Just out of curiosity, is there a st. Bartholomew's Day massacre event in the game?

Yes.

 

[Viperswhip]

There was a post once, and I've not really noticed since I rarely play much beyond the revolution, that being Defender of the Faith prevents flipping, I don't know if it will stop it if you've already lost a province though. I wish I could find the post, but maybe try that.