As a vassal, is it possible to gain independence by losing the war?

[Dagger-Axe]

I am a vassal much weaker than Ming (China), and he is trying to annex me peacefully, so before the annexation finish I declared war to survive. In the negotiation window, I found that if I offer a white peace (won't accept), the term states that "I remain as vassal". But if I offer a surrender treaty where I give him land and be his Tributary (he accepts), there is NO term stating "I will remain as vassal", and I thought "since I am tributary that should overwrite the vassal right?"

But the weird thing is, after he accepts and the war finishes, I remain as vassal not a tributary, and he didn't take the land I promised to give, so basically none of the surrender treaty was actually in effect. Is this a bug or working as designed? If it's WAD what's the logic here? I mean, in real life peace treaty doesn't have much power but, isn't the peace treaty a serious thing in the game? why is it not hundred percent processed? (btw I have a ally which is also a vassal of my boss, he remains vassal after war finish too)

So if I want to be independent and there's no way I can win a independence war, is there any way or trick I can be independent?
Oh and last question, does a Mod that modifies the game finish time disables achievement?
Thanks in advance =)

 

[Dagger-Axe]

During the time when I was a good loyal vassal, I observed that sometimes when Ming uses military force to make someone a tributary, there are also times when the loser promised to give land in the treaty but didn't actually go into effect...I'm really confused, so does the aggression penalty go into the effect then? btw it's an iron man mode so using console command would be out of the question

 

[Dagger-Axe]

help...im dying

 

[Dominion]

A mod that allows you to play beyond 1821 will disable achievements.

 

[Dagger-Axe]

A mod that allows you to play beyond 1821 will disable achievements.

Thanks, any advice on vassal gaining independence?

 

[Dominion]

Instinct says it's bugged (or at least the information in your peacedeal is missing) because it's a new mechanic and those are always screwed up in one way or another.
Like tributaries being able to give Ming their AE.

I'd write a description of the problem, put it in the bugforum and attach my savefile to it if I were you.

 

[Dagger-Axe]

Instinct says it's bugged (or at least the information in your peacedeal is missing) because it's a new mechanic and those are always screwed up in one way or another.
Like tributaries being able to give Ming their AE.

I'd write a description of the problem, put it in the bugforum and attach my savefile to it if I were you.

Good idea, i will do that, just wasn't sure if it's suppose to be that strict for vassal to gain independence