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The only nations that can form Jerusalem is Cyprus and The Knights.
Arumba is attempting The Knights...
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The only nations that can form Jerusalem is Cyprus and The Knights.
There used to be some mission to conquer Jerusalem and convert it to catholic, but you had to finish it before the reformation hit. Which was very very difficult for any catholic nation to accomplish, apart from maybe Castile and its missionary strength bonus. I don't remember what that was though.
Well, anyway, the one time I managed to snatch Constantinople was a lucky one. Although I also could have done it in my last game when Otto attacked Byz, then I attacked Byz, then Venice attacked Byz, and Venice got to Constantinople but only took war rep.
In my current game I have most of non-Ottoman greek provinces (missing Venetian vassals, but I got the islands they own in 1444), all of Serbia, all of Bosnia minus croatian province, and Ragusa. Venice is all but gone, Hungary and Genoa hate me (Genoa also took Chios bakc from me), Poland is my ally. But I was to greedy going for Mamluks even though Ethiopia broke the alliance for no reason. I should have waited, now my armies are getting killed by superior forces and I might have to give up Cyprus and maye Crete.
The thing, Otto had already done their first "Conquer Levant" war, and I wanted to get to Jerusalem before they did.
It's very hard in 1.13, but it's doable, with a little luck or at least not too much bad luck.
The Burgundian inheritance will help a lot if you can get it early.
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I did it.
The first thing I did was restart a bunch of times to get a cheap inquisitor and start converting (also one restart because Otto picking the mission to crush you first is not fun). I picked up the mission to please the Pope because I know that if I'm at peace when the mission is finished, I get a mission to convert Rhodes (not "Achieve religious unity") that gives +1 missionary strength for 10 years. Unfortunately, I had to go to war before that.
My first war was against Byz as Otto declared on them. I stupidly let Ottomans occupy Achea (and Athens, but that was harder to stop them), so I had to wait until they sieged Constantinople down to get Achea for myself as well as Morea. Converting + war costs a lot of loans but in my experience it's worth it.
Next up was getting some more land that wouldn't get me into a big war. Ragusa already belonged to Venice, but Serbia looked tempting. They had annexed part, but not all of Bosnia. I allied Bosnia and no-CB declared on Serbia, which I beat with the help of Bosnian troops (also parking my army in Bosnia helped). Because Bosnia sieged down Zeta (I got there first, but then Serbia took it back, and Bosnia took it back again before I could), I did not have an access to sea, so I couldn't take Serbian land for myself. Oh well. I vassalied them instead and gave Bosnia 2/3 of its cores back so Serbia wouldn't be too disloyal. Then Bosnia rivaled me and went hostile.
Luckily, Venice and Hungary were now interested in allying me. Sad that they were my only rivals, but we do what we can.
Since I did not have a truce with Bosnia, I used my new vassal Serbia's reconquest CB to get the cores back to Serbia (yes, the ones I had taken from Serbia a minute ago) and also get one additional province for myself. I did not take their Croatian province, even if I had wanted to, Hungary took it by ninja-declaring on Bosnia. Genoa lost Chios to rebels, so I got that too. In the meantime, I was progressing nicely in tech with some pretty good leaders for MIL and ADM, but nothing in DIP. I got two 5/1/5 in a row...
Hungary and Venice were ready to go, so I did my first attack against Otto. At first it went well, most of European provinces (including Wallachia which Otto had very recently conquered) were sieged down, and Venice was keeping the Otto fleet trapped in Albania and their troops trapped on the wrong side of the Bosphorus. Some Bulgarian rebels annoyed my allies, but nothing to big.
And then Venice derped out. They moved their fleet back home for no reason, so I put one galley in the Bosphorus and the rest to blockade Albania. But Otto fleet was bigger than mine, so they killed my blockade and all of a sudden they start owning the seas again. And then as Otto armies start coming in, both Hungary and Venice decide it's an emergency to send they 50k soldiers to deal with 5k rebels in Treviso (why does Hungary even care), and the Ottoman army arrived in Albania 2 days before a tick at 35%... Ugh.
Long story short I still managed to win the war, but only took Athens and war reparations. Still, war reparations from Otto is a big deal for a small country. Immediately after the peace, I started diplo-annexing Serbia. It would reduce my army size but the AI is so stupid it's porbably more useful that way, especially when I need troops shipped overseas.
Then Genoa decided they wanted Chios back. They had France to help them. Hungary didn't help me though, they helped Genoa instead. Backstabbing bastards! The war was not going well but I was holding my own while Venice was getting slaughtered, until Austria decided to also declare on Venice. Obviously I didn't help them. I managed to peace out with Genoa losing only Chios + war reparations (still way less than what Otto was paying me), and Venice got mostly eaten by Austria.
Since both my alliances were dead, I put Venice, Hungary and Genoa as my rivals. That turned out to be a stupid move as everyone and their cousin around the Mediterranean was allied to one of those (okay, only the Christians were, but I wasn't going to ally Tunis either). I managed to get an alliance with Poland (with Lithuania PU) by a hair slightly before Otto truce expired. Phiew.
After I had recovered, I went after newly independent Crete (a joke), then Venice. Their only ally left was Savoy, and I got Negroponte and Ragusa from them, which allowed me to move my trading port to Ragusa and try to make a bit more money. I also humiliated them, for all the good it did, in insight I should probably have taken Dalmatia and Naxos instead.
I also used the fact that Mamelukes were getting killed by Otto (not "conquer Levant", they were just allied to a beylik) to get Cyprus.
Two decades later after Otto had made a dent in the Mamelukes I attacked them. On my own. As they were allied with Tlemcen. This was a bad idea, my war exhaustion got through the roof, and I would probably have lost if not for rebels in Serbia (heretics) helping me remove my negative warscore. I managed to siege down Kahyre after an axhausting war and peaced out for Nablus + Gazza.
During that war, Poland declared on Otto. They called me into the war (which they were winning), I accepted, I lost a few sieges and got everything blockaded, but Otto offered me a peace for cancelling my alliance and roughly nothing else. I took it gladly: I had no alliance left, but I also had a truce with Otto.
I got an alliance with Ethiopia after the Mamluk war, but that did zero good when Hungary attacked. I had way better troops, but they were allied to the Papal state (and a tiny inconsequential 4-province Aragon), and eventually I had to let go of Serbia (the province, not the region), and give independence to Crete and Montenegro (Zeta). I still had 4% WS but my army was gone and my Serbian fort about to surrender.
Then I rebuilt, allied Bohemia, Poland and Lithuania (Poland got crushed in a war and lost their PU) for safety, and attacked Mamelukes (this time with Ethiopian support) again. And I won easily, although I peaced out early to avoid bad surprises either on the Ethiopian front or with another country declaring on me while for some reason some of my friends didn't want to help. This means I did not take any of the rich Egyptian provinces, but if I keep playing I can always take them later.
The first thing I did was restart a bunch of times to get a cheap inquisitor and start converting (also one restart because Otto picking the mission to crush you first is not fun). I picked up the mission to please the Pope because I know that if I'm at peace when the mission is finished, I get a mission to convert Rhodes (not "Achieve religious unity") that gives +1 missionary strength for 10 years. Unfortunately, I had to go to war before that.
My first war was against Byz as Otto declared on them. I stupidly let Ottomans occupy Achea (and Athens, but that was harder to stop them), so I had to wait until they sieged Constantinople down to get Achea for myself as well as Morea. Converting + war costs a lot of loans but in my experience it's worth it.
Next up was getting some more land that wouldn't get me into a big war. Ragusa already belonged to Venice, but Serbia looked tempting. They had annexed part, but not all of Bosnia. I allied Bosnia and no-CB declared on Serbia, which I beat with the help of Bosnian troops (also parking my army in Bosnia helped). Because Bosnia sieged down Zeta (I got there first, but then Serbia took it back, and Bosnia took it back again before I could), I did not have an access to sea, so I couldn't take Serbian land for myself. Oh well. I vassalied them instead and gave Bosnia 2/3 of its cores back so Serbia wouldn't be too disloyal. Then Bosnia rivaled me and went hostile.
Luckily, Venice and Hungary were now interested in allying me. Sad that they were my only rivals, but we do what we can.
Since I did not have a truce with Bosnia, I used my new vassal Serbia's reconquest CB to get the cores back to Serbia (yes, the ones I had taken from Serbia a minute ago) and also get one additional province for myself. I did not take their Croatian province, even if I had wanted to, Hungary took it by ninja-declaring on Bosnia. Genoa lost Chios to rebels, so I got that too. In the meantime, I was progressing nicely in tech with some pretty good leaders for MIL and ADM, but nothing in DIP. I got two 5/1/5 in a row...
Hungary and Venice were ready to go, so I did my first attack against Otto. At first it went well, most of European provinces (including Wallachia which Otto had very recently conquered) were sieged down, and Venice was keeping the Otto fleet trapped in Albania and their troops trapped on the wrong side of the Bosphorus. Some Bulgarian rebels annoyed my allies, but nothing to big.
And then Venice derped out. They moved their fleet back home for no reason, so I put one galley in the Bosphorus and the rest to blockade Albania. But Otto fleet was bigger than mine, so they killed my blockade and all of a sudden they start owning the seas again. And then as Otto armies start coming in, both Hungary and Venice decide it's an emergency to send they 50k soldiers to deal with 5k rebels in Treviso (why does Hungary even care), and the Ottoman army arrived in Albania 2 days before a tick at 35%... Ugh.
Long story short I still managed to win the war, but only took Athens and war reparations. Still, war reparations from Otto is a big deal for a small country. Immediately after the peace, I started diplo-annexing Serbia. It would reduce my army size but the AI is so stupid it's porbably more useful that way, especially when I need troops shipped overseas.
Then Genoa decided they wanted Chios back. They had France to help them. Hungary didn't help me though, they helped Genoa instead. Backstabbing bastards! The war was not going well but I was holding my own while Venice was getting slaughtered, until Austria decided to also declare on Venice. Obviously I didn't help them. I managed to peace out with Genoa losing only Chios + war reparations (still way less than what Otto was paying me), and Venice got mostly eaten by Austria.
Since both my alliances were dead, I put Venice, Hungary and Genoa as my rivals. That turned out to be a stupid move as everyone and their cousin around the Mediterranean was allied to one of those (okay, only the Christians were, but I wasn't going to ally Tunis either). I managed to get an alliance with Poland (with Lithuania PU) by a hair slightly before Otto truce expired. Phiew.
After I had recovered, I went after newly independent Crete (a joke), then Venice. Their only ally left was Savoy, and I got Negroponte and Ragusa from them, which allowed me to move my trading port to Ragusa and try to make a bit more money. I also humiliated them, for all the good it did, in insight I should probably have taken Dalmatia and Naxos instead.
I also used the fact that Mamelukes were getting killed by Otto (not "conquer Levant", they were just allied to a beylik) to get Cyprus.
Two decades later after Otto had made a dent in the Mamelukes I attacked them. On my own. As they were allied with Tlemcen. This was a bad idea, my war exhaustion got through the roof, and I would probably have lost if not for rebels in Serbia (heretics) helping me remove my negative warscore. I managed to siege down Kahyre after an axhausting war and peaced out for Nablus + Gazza.
During that war, Poland declared on Otto. They called me into the war (which they were winning), I accepted, I lost a few sieges and got everything blockaded, but Otto offered me a peace for cancelling my alliance and roughly nothing else. I took it gladly: I had no alliance left, but I also had a truce with Otto.
I got an alliance with Ethiopia after the Mamluk war, but that did zero good when Hungary attacked. I had way better troops, but they were allied to the Papal state (and a tiny inconsequential 4-province Aragon), and eventually I had to let go of Serbia (the province, not the region), and give independence to Crete and Montenegro (Zeta). I still had 4% WS but my army was gone and my Serbian fort about to surrender.
Then I rebuilt, allied Bohemia, Poland and Lithuania (Poland got crushed in a war and lost their PU) for safety, and attacked Mamelukes (this time with Ethiopian support) again. And I won easily, although I peaced out early to avoid bad surprises either on the Ethiopian front or with another country declaring on me while for some reason some of my friends didn't want to help. This means I did not take any of the rich Egyptian provinces, but if I keep playing I can always take them later.
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seems like aong guide. all i did was spent my first 500 monarch points of every type on development and got it to 35 dev. then attacked mammies with venice, venice peaced out early. then just waited for ottomans to declare on mammies and sent in my army with the ottomans and making sure i got a fort + nablus,jeruzalem and gazzee sieged down.
I went with the strategy of no CBing ragusa and then vassalizing them. Use them to help you annex Bosnia and Serbia. Then you ally Venice and use them to crush Mamluks. Its easier to do this if the Ottomans declare on them first, but even without that they tend to lag behind in mil tech so they have paper troops. It's a pretty easy run all things considered.
You could do it before by ganking Urbino on day 1ish, declare war, build a galley or two, wait, kill the troops they land, then kill their fleet, win. Join HRE. I don't know how you would do it now, but if you can join HRE, game over.
That isn't a good strategy anymore since Urbino is now a vassal of the Papal States.
I recommend against it, unless you want to get the achievement and quit. Bagging the Ottomans first then wrapping down to Jerusalem gives a much stronger position overall with less waiting. It's pretty easy to pull Venice in on BYZ, and later on Ottomans. I gotta say though, starting with 0% unity sucks. It might be worth the prestige hit to go Orthodox temporarily then use Ragusa or some such to force you back Catholic before you get too big, just to save on ADM for stability until later. It's not like your ground forces are meaningful for the first 50+ years anyway.
Wait, why did you need Venice in that war if they peaced out before anything was accomplished? Also, how is 35 dev enough to resist Mamelukes and their allies once Venice peaces out? Can't they build more ships than yours? They can certainly build more troops...
They kill the navy. That's huge as it means you can eventually land troops. In a one on one fight the Mamluks normally beat the Otto navy early, but Venice can beat the Ottos if it all comes down properly.
Yes I was referring to just getting the achievement.
If you want to play on after that, I would recommend a standard Byz start as I would do with anyone in the Ottoman region.
Yes, and no. The only ones which can get the achievment are Cyprus and The Knights, but any (catholic?) country can form and release the Kingdom of Jerusalem. It's probably on the same 1650 timer, but I still do have the option to release KoJ on my current HRE run, and I'm in the 1630's IIRC.
It's doable. I did it on 1.13. I did retry it a couple of times, 4 times I think, to get the inheritance. It's not that hard after that, all you need to do is conquer Scotland, Scandinavia and Russia, in this order. You can also hit Aragon to get Catalunya's cores early on.
About the Knights, I didn't really like to play this achievement, I think I did only the bare minimum to get it. Anyway, I really like Arumba's videos, so I'll probably be watching this later.
venice peaced out so early because they wasted alot of their manpower on noble rebs on crete, i noticed too late they were sending armies to their death so i helped them. the mammies had their fleet destroyed by venice and me, after that they started rebuilding but never landed a single troop in rhodes. i just hid in ottoman lands when venice peaced out. i got mammies to haveing 15 mercs and no manpower when venice peaced out. they just kept the mercs and went into debt quite alot. they blockaded me leading me to 20 W/E (kept enough diplo points around to reduce that when ottos attacked mammies, but they never had enough warscore to make me lose stab when i refused peace offers. after waiting for like 10-15 years till ottomans attacked them ( they really slacked and waited a long time before attacking mammies) and i just rolled in with their armies, making sure i got atleast 1 fort sieged and the required provinces.
if venice didnt waste their manpower it would've been a decent steamroll for our team.
EDIT: this was in 1.13
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