Dont worry your deck has 60+ infantry squads and 17th ss pzgren has only 35-38. Dont see you handicapped in any way at all you can easily manage it.
Arty Balance is really bad.
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I don't know about that. I mean, the rocket artillery doesn't even give a hoot about spotting or anything, just shoot a position and its compromised. I think the people who like arty just don't like the prospect of having to take risks to gain local fire superiority, or really take risks at all. Click butan on map, easymode is what people who like arty want.
I mean, i've adjusted to it, but certain types of units are extremely weak in phase B and C because of the prepondrance of powerful artillery.
I think arty is much more of a potent threat in 3v3 than any other game mode, as 3v3 tends to have the least frontage per player. This means there are more targets in a given area. There's also quite a few players who like to crowd many players into a 1v1 map. Again, arty will be a problem there.
Still - it's like planes - expensive, doesn't take ground, but a useful tool for making things explode with relatively little risk to the firing unit. I've never found it to be too much of a problem.
Still - it's like planes - expensive, doesn't take ground, but a useful tool for making things explode with relatively little risk to the firing unit. I've never found it to be too much of a problem.
Its historical proven that art could slaughter packs of infantry if they are too close together. I think they are ok ingame. They need to be adjusted properly becaues when they show up they are a quick target, and they are weak as hell when targeted. Just use infantry wisely and everything should be ok 
Yeah, it's a bigger problem in bigger games where you can get away with spending like that.
Its historical proven that art could slaughter packs of infantry if they are too close together. I think they are ok ingame. They need to be adjusted properly becaues when they show up they are a quick target, and they are weak as hell when targeted. Just use infantry wisely and everything should be ok
Is it good to have that capability in the game- to easily erase any soft target in phase B and C? It means that forces that rely on soft AT guns for their phase B+C firepower will suffer heavily. This is one of the reasons why 3AD suffers- 76mm AT guns are very weak compared to M10s because M10s don't melt to artillery. MG teams kinda suck because they melt to artillery as well.
That's the adaptation- use infantry as sparingly as possible, just use vehicles with machine guns and cannons to defend areas.
Is about what your enemy see and what do not. If you outmaneuvere opposing forces they wont have a chance to quickly position their artillery.
If you attack with infantry use the whole front line where possible
Also prepare the charge with supporting fire/units/smoke/air and scouting of course.
Also prepare the charge with supporting fire/units/smoke/air and scouting of course.
Also, I think people are starting to wake up to the fact that off map artillery is significantly better than most of the on map kind.
If you know what you're doing, 3 bombardments per is fine, and not actually a whole lot less than you get out of something like nebels. It's also unstoppable.
There's really nothing severely limited about them.
If you miss, the cost is sunk and you don't get to re-adjust for quite a while.
For 12. SS Panzer Phase C. You lose 8m of AOE, range and vet, but get it on a thing that can move with spare ammo and a faster reload. It's worse than the Nebelwerfer 42, but not much.
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Wasn't it also able to shoot twice before depleting? Don't exactly remember seems ages ago I last played 12th but I think it shoots like 6 rockets but has 12???
Anyway just it being a vehicle is a big advantage.
I have an issue with the fast firing arty, like mortars and the self propelled versions, the 10-15 shots/min ones, simply because they are incredibly accurate. Even blind firing they are more accurate than tanks or AT guns, most of the time. Yes, I know it's because of the blast radius but I think it removes quite a bit of the threat factor of AT guns as they are dead 10 sec after being revealed.
Stuff like the off map arty, Nebelwerfers, Xylophones, Callilopes I have no issue with as they fire once then have downtime. It's the continous, highly accurate fire from, especially phase A, mortar teams and self propelled mortars.
Stuff like the off map arty, Nebelwerfers, Xylophones, Callilopes I have no issue with as they fire once then have downtime. It's the continous, highly accurate fire from, especially phase A, mortar teams and self propelled mortars.
So far, no problems with the arty model in the game. Is it annoying when it lands and stops and offensive or breaks a key part of my defense? Yep, it sure is! But 99% of the time when I look at the end game stats. arty has accounted for a very low number of my troops.
And most games where I take more losses from arty, I've handily won because the opponent(s) were more interested in wasting time/points on arty than on taking ground. In a standard game, I don't care of I take the losses to arty if I hold the ground.
On the flip side of the coin, AT and AA is very effective at stopping attacks so to me, a strong arty mechanic is needed to keep the game from degenerating into WW1...
And most games where I take more losses from arty, I've handily won because the opponent(s) were more interested in wasting time/points on arty than on taking ground. In a standard game, I don't care of I take the losses to arty if I hold the ground.
On the flip side of the coin, AT and AA is very effective at stopping attacks so to me, a strong arty mechanic is needed to keep the game from degenerating into WW1...
Well, the arty accurately taking out your AT guns could cause a lot more units to die to the armored push moments later, though.
We do need a way beyond Air to take out AT guns, but I think they should adjust cover for them or something. They're one of the few "this definitely is going to die in a few seconds" when you call in a bomber or launch arty at them.
We do need a way beyond Air to take out AT guns, but I think they should adjust cover for them or something. They're one of the few "this definitely is going to die in a few seconds" when you call in a bomber or launch arty at them.
I was waiting for a thread like this. Both the two new divisions brought a MUCH bigger arty focus on the game than we had before, and that was bound to cause players to both utilize it, and also to figure out how to respond to it. Obviously, keeping all your units in a clump makes you infinitely more vulnerable. And holding off and preparing to counter battery the opposing arty is becoming a more valuable option than it was at the start.
Personally, I'm fine with it as it is for now. The arty is extremely soft when you can get at it, either by counter arty or air power especially. And that IMO proves the balance to the units still exists. Plus, the balance of how decks play out in a 1v1 compared to a 10v10 can be dramatically different.
But don't just throw all your infantry into neighboring buildings and think they're going to be safe, or stack all your Arty or AA units in a pile and cry foul when a Nebel finds them.
Arty rarely gets kills, but it does do a LOT of pinning and pushing units back. IMO, the biggest failure of the game right now is the gross oversimplification of the post battle stats report.
Personally, I'm fine with it as it is for now. The arty is extremely soft when you can get at it, either by counter arty or air power especially. And that IMO proves the balance to the units still exists. Plus, the balance of how decks play out in a 1v1 compared to a 10v10 can be dramatically different.
But don't just throw all your infantry into neighboring buildings and think they're going to be safe, or stack all your Arty or AA units in a pile and cry foul when a Nebel finds them.
Arty rarely gets kills, but it does do a LOT of pinning and pushing units back. IMO, the biggest failure of the game right now is the gross oversimplification of the post battle stats report.
Yeah, I'm fine with the rate they get stressed but when they die within 10 sec, consistently, it's a bit silly. Give them more resistance to the damage while they are in cover or something and it'd still be fine as you can supress them with stress but won't be able to just kill a bunch within 30 sec.
The Nebelwerfer 41 and Xylophone are the closest in use and price. I'm being generous here, the Xylophone is better since it fires an awful lot more rockets than would balance out the difference in damage and AoE between it and the Nebel 41. Don't have to worry about the cost an extra supply truck specifically for it either, can use one that you're using for longer range artillery or whatever.
If one is OP, the other is OP.
The 42 is a different story, but It's a juicy expensive target that needs to be near the front line to fire, making it a good target for a quick bomb run or counter barrage. It also tends to be massive overkill, where it really doesn't end up having more of an impact than the nebel 41.
You really need to add 50 to the price of the nebels for the required supply truck.