Art of War (Force New State Religion - Portugal)

[rowanquigley]

I'm currently playing as Portugal in Art of War. I'm currently Catholic and I want to force Sunni as my state religion. I currently hold the provinces usually held by Granada so I do have Sunni provinces and I was wondering what would be the best way to force Sunni as my religion.

 

[Freudia]

Conquer some provinces from the north of Africa so Sunni becomes the majority religion, get Sunni zealots to spawn, and then accept their demands. That should work (it definitely worked in 1.7.3).

 

[Kombatdoctr]

Conquer some provinces from the north of Africa so Sunni becomes the majority religion, get Sunni zealots to spawn, and then accept their demands. That should work (it definitely worked in 1.7.3).

It doesn't work anymore, you can only accept zealot demands if you're in the same religion group as them.

 

[Freudia]

It doesn't work anymore, you can only accept zealot demands if you're in the same religion group as them.

That's dumb. I guess the only other alternative is to bankrupt yourself with your capital in a province that's Sunni, if I'm not mistaken.

 

[balmung60]

Can't you still convert if the other religion is the majority religion of your country?

Regressing to no change of religion group would rather suck (especially for Japan)

 

[MaXimillion]

It doesn't work anymore, you can only accept zealot demands if you're in the same religion group as them.

Untrue, it's still an OR flag, you either have to be in their religion group, or have their religion as the majority in your country.

can_negotiate_trigger = {
		OR = {
			religion_group = muslim
			dominant_religion = sunni
		}
	}

[...]

if = {
		limit = {
			NOT = { religion = sunni }
			dominant_religion = sunni
			}
		change_religion = sunni
		force_converted = yes
	}

 

[powerguy]

On a related note, are you still able to use the Cleansing of Heresy CB and with 100% war score surrender and Force Religion on yourself (irrespective of your size) to flip between religions in your group? Just tried with a standard Conquest CB but it doesn't work as its over 1000% and can't force it through. Does the Cleansing of Heresy CB have a discount?

The main reason I ask is that it now appears to be impossible to use rebels flip from Orthodox to Catholic as of this patch - nationalist rebels always seem to get priority, and you can't change the culture to clear that without converting religion first.

 

[Phibs]

Couldn't op just lower autonomy in a sunni province "try" to convert, wait for rebels to occupy his capital and voila?
Especially since he could even use north African province with the new rebel relocation?

 

[AurochsAway]

Conquer into North Africa, move capital to Granada, decrease LA in all 3 Granadan provinces, add missionary to your capital with 0 maintainence.

 

[Kh3lben]

Conquer into North America, move capital to Granada, decrease LA in all 3 Granadan provinces, add missionary to your capital with 0 maintainence.

What has North America to do with anything here ? Besides everything you suggest just doesn't work @ all. To OP,short answer is : forget about it.You can't convert to Sunni as you are now.Even if by some miracle you manage to spawn/start a Sunni zealot faction instead of Andalusian Patriots/Granadan Nationalists,you will still not be able to accept their demands and change to sunni.At least not until Sunni is your dominant religion.

 

[AurochsAway]

What has North America to do with anything here ? Besides everything you suggest just doesn't work @ all. To OP,short answer is : forget about it.You can't convert to Sunni as you are now.Even if by some miracle you manage to spawn/start a Sunni zealot faction instead of Andalusian Patriots/Granadan Nationalists,you will still not be able to accept their demands and change to sunni.At least not until Sunni is your dominant religion.

Africa. Whoops.

 

[Phibs]

What has North America to do with anything here ? Besides everything you suggest just doesn't work @ all. To OP,short answer is : forget about it.You can't convert to Sunni as you are now.Even if by some miracle you manage to spawn/start a Sunni zealot faction instead of Andalusian Patriots/Granadan Nationalists,you will still not be able to accept their demands and change to sunni.At least not until Sunni is your dominant religion.

Even if they siege the capital?

 

[Kh3lben]

Africa. Whoops.

o That makes more sense . Sadly though even if he takes all of Morocco now and makes sunni dominant there is no guarantee he ll get religious zealots instead of patriots,quite the opposite to be honest.The only way i can think of is : vassalize Granada,get tangiers from Morocco,sell all european land to Granada,accept religious shift through decisions. Although i don't see why would anyone go to such lengths to become Sunni as Portugal,especially in Art of War.

Even if they siege the capital?

I don't think you need them to even spawn in 1.8. When a faction starts,go to government tab and accept demands.Accepting demands though without sunni being dominant is impossible.He ll only get bad modifiers without converting if they finally spawn and siege the capital.Maybe if he lets them siege everything and force convert each and every province till Sunni > Catholic.And again the main problem i see is : how the hell does he get sunni zealots in the first place? The game in 1.8 seems to prioritise Patriots in your provinces that other nations have cores.Sending a missionary does nothing to change the nature of the rebel faction from what i ve seen.

 

[Phibs]

I don't think you need them to even spawn in 1.8. When a faction starts,go to government tab and accept demands.Accepting demands though without sunni being dominant is impossible.He ll only get bad modifiers without converting if they finally spawn and siege the capital.Maybe if he lets them siege everything and force convert each and every province till Sunni > Catholic.And again the main problem i see is : how the hell does he get sunni zealots in the first place? The game in 1.8 seems to prioritise Patriots in your provinces that other nations have cores.Sending a missionary does nothing to change the nature of the rebel faction from what i ve seen.

Religious zealots still force convert provinces, this I've seen post AOW. So that could be useful.

Is it confirmed that zealots who occupy the capital will not force-convert the country? If not that would be my suggestion.

About getting zealot rebels, after nationalism has worn off enough, you can get em to spawn. (Happened during a Teutonic campaign for me)

 

[rowanquigley]

Have an update, good news and bad news.

Good news is after conquering Morocco, Sunni Zealots were listed as a possible rebellion. I pushed for harsh treatment on all of those that weren't the zealots in order give them a chance of rebelling. They did and proceeded to take control over Morocco converting provinces along the way. Great I thought, as soon as they've finished, they'll teleport across to mainland Iberia and start to take over until I can accept their demands or they are forced upon me.

Here comes the bad news.

Upon taking all the land in Morocco, they proceed to sit in the province they had last taken. Just sit there, and do absolutely nothing. I'm left with them at 50% to enforce demands but they don't have enough provinces to claim that half with about 18 of 71. I was lead to believe they would teleport around and continue to siege until they were complete unless I was mistaken.

Here is a screenshot for those interested:
http://i.imgur.com/etguN3X.jpg

EDIT: I've been going back and assault some provinces and decreasing the autonomy in order to spark a second uprising of Sunni Zealots, they are currently at 65% with 6.8 years to go before pushing for that and I hope they will start to push across the peninsula.

 

[Zak Preston]

I've started a new round with Castile => Byzantium, and I have a slight problem ATM: can't spawn any Orthodox rebels =\

• Fully unlocked Humanism ideas, tolerance to heretics +0.7
• Have around 60% Orthodox territories, low unrest (5-10%)
• Dropped Stability to -2 (poor my ADM points)
• Tried to convert non-cored Orthodox territory
• Turned missionary slider to 0, 10%... 30%... 50% and so on

Not even a single percent chance of Orthodox rebel spawn...

 

[rowanquigley]

Have an update, good news and bad news.

Good news is after conquering Morocco, Sunni Zealots were listed as a possible rebellion. I pushed for harsh treatment on all of those that weren't the zealots in order give them a chance of rebelling. They did and proceeded to take control over Morocco converting provinces along the way. Great I thought, as soon as they've finished, they'll teleport across to mainland Iberia and start to take over until I can accept their demands or they are forced upon me.

Here comes the bad news.

Upon taking all the land in Morocco, they proceed to sit in the province they had last taken. Just sit there, and do absolutely nothing. I'm left with them at 50% to enforce demands but they don't have enough provinces to claim that half with about 18 of 71. I was lead to believe they would teleport around and continue to siege until they were complete unless I was mistaken.

Here is a screenshot for those interested:
http://i.imgur.com/etguN3X.jpg

EDIT: I've been going back and assault some provinces and decreasing the autonomy in order to spark a second uprising of Sunni Zealots, they are currently at 65% with 6.8 years to go before pushing for that and I hope they will start to push across the peninsula.

Another update

I used a mod called Moar Straits which placed one between the Strait of Gibraltar. Straight away rebels crossed the border into my country and I used sortie in order for them to claim the provinces faster. They soon approached the 50% hit that would enable them to enforce demands. Upon hitting that, they entire country collapsed with all the land I had conquered being returned to their former owners but with that, I still had not become Sunni so I reverted my save. It seems at this point of time it is difficult to do but I will continue to play around with the mechanics in hope of a solution.

 

[rmc]

With Ottomans, I just converted from Sunni to Orthodox, without a single rebelion. I just accepted the demands before the rebel spawn.

The key to change between groups is to have the majority of your country with the religion you want to convert. AFAIK this is base tax related. There is a chart on the ledger which informs you the % of each religion, when you have more than 50% you can accept the religious zealots demands.

 

[kiwimaster]

I've started a new round with Castile => Byzantium, and I have a slight problem ATM: can't spawn any Orthodox rebels =\

• Fully unlocked Humanism ideas, tolerance to heretics +0.7
• Have around 60% Orthodox territories, low unrest (5-10%)
• Dropped Stability to -2 (poor my ADM points)
• Tried to convert non-cored Orthodox territory
• Turned missionary slider to 0, 10%... 30%... 50% and so on

Not even a single percent chance of Orthodox rebel spawn...

Yeah, I've been having this problem too, but as a shia Gujarat in India trying to convert to hindu. I literally have zero provinces of my religion, and yet all potential rebels are either peasants or nationalists. I think you need negative heretic tolerance to trigger it, as I also have a +0.3 heretic tolerance to hindus because of my traditions (ugh).

 

[kiwimaster]

Never mind what I said above. You just need to let a revolt happen, and then put a missionary in the revolted province so that by the time the recently revolted -20 unrest modifier passes, the potential rebel switches from the default one (such as nationalists or peasants) to religious zealots.