Armored division?

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In WW1 the Brits called the things "tanks" because that was the code word for them. The name stuck, much more so than the official name "armor" or "armored vehicle".

I guess Turtledove decided "tank" is too much of a British word, and since in his TL the Yankees invented the first tanks (on the north american continent) they get a proper American code name.

 

[trevorscott]

If'n I remember Walk in Hell correctly, the US barrels were hidden in water barrels and hence the nickname barrels. The UK/CSA models were called tanks, but being on the losing end kind of stopped that nomenclature...

 

[Rosey Palmer]

The barrel divisions don't work in the game do they?

I heard they were bugged.

 

[Golden_Deliciou]

The UK/CSA models were called tanks, but being on the losing end kind of stopped that nomenclature...

Well that clinches it. Obviously if Britain loses, the book is nonsense...

 

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The barrel divisions don't work in the game do they?

I heard they were bugged.

They do offer a +30 bonus to shock attack.

 

[Darkrenown]

Well that clinches it. Obviously if Britain loses, the book is nonsense...

They didn't lose so much as quit when France and the CSA went down. I did think the way the USN managed to defeat both the IJN and the RN was a bit unlikely though.

 

[Golden_Deliciou]

They didn't lose so much as quit when France and the CSA went down. I did think the way the USN managed to defeat both the IJN and the RN was a bit unlikely though.

Presumably they were simultaneously blockading the CSA's coastline....

This is early 20th century, right? And it's just the North, which has been forced to field a large army to beat the CSA?

US naval construction in the 40s was pretty impressive- but in this alternate 1910s (or whatever) I don't see it being very good at all.

 

[Darkrenown]

Well, to be fair I suppose watching the German navy kept a lot of the RN tied up and that losing 3 wars in a row to the CSA could have make the USA more militaristic.

 

[Tomas the Great]

Wasn't it considered a WWI tactic (at least by WWII) to use tanks spread out, supporting an infantry wave attack.

Yes, the French still kept the tactic at the beginning of WWII, contrary to Germans. They developed tactic of spear where long and quick attacks overcome the resistance of the enemy while creating big pockets of surrounding soldiers. Russians went really far with this tactics creating super quick light tank both suitable for rough terrain and German highways. They did not manage though. All these tanks were destroyed since Adolf attacked 14 earlier before Josif planned.

 

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If you are going to use tanks, attach them with dragoons with general that
gives speed bonus to get maximum speed for tank's. Otherwise they are too slowly. This suit's at least for me.

 

[Golden_Deliciou]

Well, to be fair I suppose watching the German navy kept a lot of the RN tied up and that losing 3 wars in a row to the CSA could have make the USA more militaristic.

Well...

First off, the US would be a land power if they had a large hostile neighbour. Further, if the US is hostile then it's likely Britain will just step up warship production still further- as it was, we were building eight dreadnoughts a year without even breaking a sweat. Figure we could at least push up to twelve. Add that this process starts earlier than it did historically because of US hostility.

This is leaving aside the questionable assumption that Germany's situation is unchanged and that Britain is still at odds with her.

When did the CSA free the slaves in this counterfactual?

 

[Darkrenown]

Didn't we drop the 2 power standard since we couldn't afford/keep up with it? And the USA could build a fair sized army AND navy, even without the South. But I much admit, I was thinking "No way!" when I read the naval parts.

I don't think the CSA freed the slaves untill they were forced to offer freedom to slaves who'd fight for them in the great war sue to their manpower shortage (and yes, arming the slaves proved to be a bad idea).

 

[Darkrenown]

If you are going to use tanks, attach them with dragoons with general that
gives speed bonus to get maximum speed for tank's. Otherwise they are too slowly. This suit's at least for me.

Dragoons have awful defence though.

 

[trevorscott]

When did the CSA free the slaves in this counterfactual?

I don't think the CSA freed the slaves until they were forced to offer freedom to slaves who'd fight for them in the great war sue to their manpower shortage (and yes, arming the slaves proved to be a bad idea).

They were forced by their allies (UK & France) during the Second Mexican War in the early 1880's. The Brits and French didn't rather like that the CSA still kept slaves, so they presented an ultimatum: Manumission, or lose to the US.

 

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Although AFVs were used en mass by the British in WWI, they were not concentrated as mobile formations until the 1930's by the germans, while France and England stuck to using tanks for infantry support. Still, tanks tended to get the Jerries up out of their trenches and running for the Rhine, which accounts for their high shock bonus. Germany didn't have the industrial capability to produce a lot of tanks, which is why the tank gap was pretty one-sided.

Barrel brigades are supposed to reduce the effectiveness of enemy entrenchments. However, it would seem that this does not, in fact, happen. Maybe Paradox will someday fix it. For now, I use barrels as a very nice export industry.

 

[Darkrenown]

They were forced by their allies (UK & France) during the Second Mexican War in the early 1880's. The Brits and French didn't rather like that the CSA still kept slaves, so they presented an ultimatum: Manumission, or lose to the US.

I'll admit it's been a while since I've read the books, but I seem to recall the CSA won all it's pre-WWI wars with the USA rather handily and without allies. I also remember the "slave rebellion" during the great war with Jake Featherstone later uses as his "stabbed in the back" speeches, which diesn't make sense if the slvaes were freed in 1880.

 

[Waffen9999]

I'll admit it's been a while since I've read the books, but I seem to recall the CSA won all it's pre-WWI wars with the USA rather handily and without allies. I also remember the "slave rebellion" during the great war with Jake Featherstone later uses as his "stabbed in the back" speeches, which diesn't make sense if the slvaes were freed in 1880.

Nah in the previous prologue book How Few Remain the CSA survives because Britain, France and Canada back them up. And the speech Jake Featherston is talking about is the Red uprising of the blacks during the Great War. The CSA was starting to lose and the blacks rose up in revolution forming socialist states throught the CSA which were eventually destroyed. He blames them for the CSA's defeat.

 

[OriginalRafiki]

Barrel brigades are supposed to reduce the effectiveness of enemy entrenchments. However, it would seem that this does not, in fact, happen. Maybe Paradox will someday fix it. For now, I use barrels as a very nice export industry.

Barrel-attached divisions are still unsurpassed as "shockers", so I try to build some even without the anti-entrenchment bonus. However, I too hope Paradox will look into this.

Rafiki

 

[Darkrenown]

Nah in the previous prologue book How Few Remain the CSA survives because Britain, France and Canada back them up. And the speech Jake Featherston is talking about is the Red uprising of the blacks during the Great War. The CSA was starting to lose and the blacks rose up in revolution forming socialist states throught the CSA which were eventually destroyed. He blames them for the CSA's defeat.

I didn't know "How Few Remain" was in the same series, never read it

 

[Waffen9999]

I didn't know "How Few Remain" was in the same series, never read it

It's the prologue to the "Great War" series. I think it was originally written to stand by itself but he liked the idea so much that he continued on in with Great War and than American Empire. I still think the Darkness Series and the Videssos Cycle are the best though. Although World War was pretty damn awesome.