Armored division?

[chison_hsu]

It is 1914. I have tank factories and I have researched all the army technologies. But I still can not build any armored division or infantry division attached with armored brigade. Why? Do I miss something or there is no armored division in Victoria at all.

 

[unmerged(26192)]

Nope there is no such div in Vicky at all. Armoured Divs are more a WW2 phenomenon rather than WW1 (or the Victorian era for that matter)

 

[Memnon]

But there is such a thing as a Barrell attachment to infantry divisions (barrell = tank, btw). I'm not sure why you can't build tank brigades for your infantry. Are you sure you were looking in the attachments menu rather than the unit menu?

 

[Henry v. Keiper]

But there is such a thing as a Barrell attachment to infantry divisions (barrell = tank, btw). I'm not sure why you can't build tank brigades for your infantry.

Wasn't it considered a WWI tactic (at least by WWII) to use tanks spread out, supporting an infantry wave attack.

 

[Memnon]

Wasn't it considered a WWI tactic (at least by WWII) to use tanks spread out, supporting an infantry wave attack.

I dunno.








But he should still be able to build tank attachments!!

 

[Henry v. Keiper]

I dunno.








But he should still be able to build tank attachments!!

Well you said barrels meant tanks. I guess that inadvertingly means he gots himselfs some tanks

"Sir! The enemy is penetrating Trench One!"
"Don't worry son, the 31st Barrel Division has arrived."

 

[november]

You still need the proper invention to fire (can’t recall the name offhand) and the required number of tanks in your stock[pile, of course.

 

[iBaLkiD]

Wasn't it considered a WWI tactic (at least by WWII) to use tanks spread out, supporting an infantry wave attack.

Maybe in the very last stages of the war.

Most of the oldschool fogies had no foresight inregards to AFV's.(Armoured fighting vehicles). They had ni idea how to use them effectively. There were a few rare occasions that Tanks acieved a quick victory, but for the most part they were innefectual.

Early tanks also broke down alot and wasted massive amounts of valuable petrol.

 

[daedalus]

inflitration? I think that is the army tech you need for tanks

 

[chison_hsu]

I'll try. Thanks.

 

[unmerged(11633)]

Do you have automobiles? They are needed to build tanks. (and the infiltration invention)

 

[OriginalRafiki]

Well, you need barrels to build barrel attachments; doesn't matter if you produce them yourself (from automobiles) or if you buy them elsewhere

Rafiki

 

[chison_hsu]

Do you have automobiles? They are needed to build tanks. (and the infiltration invention)

I have more than 300 tanks, I even export tanks. I think that I was too late to research infiltration that it wouldn't trigger any invention about barrels.

 

[OriginalRafiki]

Tank Experiments can trigger at any time after 1895, especially after 1910; it's never too late, unless the game has ended

Rafiki

 

[Sekenr]

Actually some sort of early tanks were used by the British in WWI. The Germans followed shortly with a prototype manned by 20 or so soldier crew, where people often suffocted due to engine exaust

 

[Golden_Deliciou]

Maybe in the very last stages of the war.

Most of the oldschool fogies had no foresight inregards to AFV's.(Armoured fighting vehicles). They had ni idea how to use them effectively. There were a few rare occasions that Tanks acieved a quick victory, but for the most part they were innefectual.

Early tanks also broke down alot and wasted massive amounts of valuable petrol.

Two statements here that more or less contradict. It's precisely because early tanks were so unreliable (and slow) that the Allies never used them as a replacement for cavalry- the role they would fill in the Second World War.

Victoria gets it more or less right with regard to tanks. A brigade would be assigned to a division (though not on such a permanent basis) and the tanks would essentially be used as mobile cover to allow the infantry to approach enemy trenches. Also some tanks had cannon which could demolish some fortifications. The big problem is that tanks break down around 50% of the time- hence the slow speed of armour. One can hit the enemy's line with tanks and you'll break into it- but by the time your tanks have gotten moving again the enemy will have either fixed the hole in their line or begun a counterattack.

I have no idea where the name "barrels" comes from. Probably it's a European name, reflecting the European origins of Paradox. So far as I know, in the English-speaking world they were only ever called tanks, as the construction was kept secret by claiming that the large bodies were intended to be water tanks for use in the desert.

 

[OriginalRafiki]

I have no idea where the name "barrels" comes from. Probably it's a European name, reflecting the European origins of Paradox. So far as I know, in the English-speaking world they were only ever called tanks, as the construction was kept secret by claiming that the large bodies were intended to be water tanks for use in the desert.

It's a reference to Turtledove's novels, where they were called "barrels" rather than "tanks". Not quite sure why; perhaps just a twist to the stortline.

Rafiki

 

[unmerged(10416)]

I have no idea where the name "barrels" comes from. Probably it's a European name, reflecting the European origins of Paradox. So far as I know, in the English-speaking world they were only ever called tanks, as the construction was kept secret by claiming that the large bodies were intended to be water tanks for use in the desert.

I think it's a pun towards the alternate history novels of Harry Turtledove.

 

[Golden_Deliciou]

Actually some sort of early tanks were used by the British in WWI. The Germans followed shortly with a prototype manned by 20 or so soldier crew, where people often suffocted due to engine exaust

The tank first fought on the Somme, IIRC- and they were British tanks. The Germans attempted to come up with a version- the A7V- but only ever built a couple of dozen. In addition to the exhaust, apparently after the tank's engine had been running for a few minutes, the internal temperature rose to around 50 degrees centigrade. I think the crew was no more than 10, though. The Germans had more success with captured British tanks.

The French produced a lot of light tanks in the last two years of the war, the Renault FT-17. A six tonne tank armed with either a machine gun or a 37mm gun. A lot were used by Americans in the war (who didn't produce tanks domestically until too late for use in the war). Something like 3,000 FT-17s and their variants were produced, and many were still in service in 1940, though they were even less reliable by that time.

 

[Golden_Deliciou]

It's a reference to Turtledove's novels, where they were called "barrels" rather than "tanks". Not quite sure why; perhaps just a twist to the stortline.

Rafiki

I expect it's just Turtledove trying to be contrary.