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Will you model HOI more than EUII? Like, they have organization and need supplies and ect?

Or will it be more like recruiting a couple of tousand men and sending them off in no time?
 

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Although the province size is something in between Eu2 and HOI. I think armies will be still a bit Eu2 like but harder to recruit due to more stress on ressources than money.
 

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fire power, organization and morale

If you read the official announcement. You'll notice that units have 3 stats opposed to 2 in HoI and EU.

My guess is that they have taken HoI as the base and separated organization and morale. "HoI organization" presented both.
 
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Originally posted by TheArchduke
Although the province size is something in between Eu2 and HOI. I think armies will be still a bit Eu2 like but harder to recruit due to more stress on ressources than money.

Not to mention, recruit only loyal nationalities.. ie i pity the russian player who recruits all his armies in poland :)
 

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Originally posted by The camel
Not to mention, recruit only loyal nationalities.. ie i pity the russian player who recruits all his armies in poland :)

Or from Finland to fight in WWI.:D I like this idea, an excellent way to simulate the Sepoy Rebellion in India in 1857. Now the knowledge from Imperialism and Age of Rifles certainly pays dividend.
 

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Did Finnish troops take part in WWI (not talking about the Finnish war of liberation)? I knew some officers did (Mannerheim comes to mind), but did any Finnish military units?


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Originally posted by Mefistofeles
Did Finnish troops take part in WWI (not talking about the Finnish war of liberation)? I knew some officers did (Mannerheim comes to mind), but did any Finnish military units?


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I believe Finnish Jägers were trained in Germany and did fight some battles against Russia on Eastern front, before they came back to Finland.
 

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I believe Finnish Jägers were trained in Germany and did fight some battles against Russia on Eastern front, before they came back to Finland.

Yep, I remember something like that too. About 2000 men were trained in Germany, and 1916 they formed Royal Prussian Jägerbatalion (sp?), which fought in Riga, Kurland and some other places. They came back to Finland in late 1917 and second group came back 25.3.1918.

Jäges were White's side in civil war 1918, and they were important part of forming Finnish army.
 

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Danish men were conscriptet into the German army in WW1, because of them ending up on the wrong side of the border after the 2. Schleswig-Holstein war in 1864. I think this happend a lot around the world in the age of imperialism.
 

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Size of units

I think basic units should be regiments to represent the armies of the period. But then Regiments varied greatly in size from country to country.

From one Battallion for the British army or a few hundred men for American regiments in the ACW, to 2000 or 3000 men for nations like Germany.

Any ideas on the subject?
 

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Re: Size of units

Originally posted by supergamelin
I think basic units should be regiments to represent the armies of the period. But then Regiments varied greatly in size from country to country.

From one Battallion for the British army or a few hundred men for American regiments in the ACW, to 2000 or 3000 men for nations like Germany.

Any ideas on the subject?

They would be to small.
Think of Russia which would have literaly 1000's of them...
 

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Well, Armies were not that big until the late XIXth Century mass conscription armies.
The basic building block was and still remains the regiment. It depends on how detailed you want your army to be. Even For Russia it would only be a few hundred regiments. I agree that it would make a lot of units to manage. And the main issue is that it is not an element that is the same for each nation. e.g. the equivalent of a german Regiment would be an American brigade of the Civil War. or a British Brigade of 4 batallions/regiments....

A division however seems somewhat large for that periode. Regiments were permanent units existing often for Centuries while larger units were usually temporary structures.

Or maybe it will be a system like EU were you just move forces around without a specific organisation added to it.
 

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Originally posted by supergamelin
Well, Armies were not that big until the late XIXth Century mass conscription armies.
The basic building block was and still remains the regiment. It depends on how detailed you want your army to be. Even For Russia it would only be a few hundred regiments. I agree that it would make a lot of units to manage. And the main issue is that it is not an element that is the same for each nation. e.g. the equivalent of a german Regiment would be an American brigade of the Civil War. or a British Brigade of 4 batallions/regiments....

A division however seems somewhat large for that periode. Regiments were permanent units existing often for Centuries while larger units were usually temporary structures.

Or maybe it will be a system like EU were you just move forces around without a specific organisation added to it.

I agree that that might be a good way but it would still be a lot to handle.
Maybe that the basic unit is a regiment but later on you loose the ability to use single regiment but must place them in division or something.
 

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Yes Larger organisations are necessary like in HOI disvisions are grouped into larger corps and armies. It's just not practical and ahistorical to move individual regiments around. The point is what the basic military unit represented in the game should be?

HOI enables you to handle armies of several hundred divisions with several thousand units in total. Thus for a XIXth century game, divisions could be replaced by regiments, though numbers would swell from 1880 onwards.

For exemple in 1870 France would have around 200 regiments overall (including infantry cavalry guards....) . This number had remained roughly stable for about 250 years, with some variations such as the Napoleonic wars and various reorganisations.
With the introduction of conscription, that number swelled.

An other point is that raising new armies from scratch is a lengthy process. New units can be formed in a few weeks but it takes months before they can be trained properly if experienced cadres are lacking. This played a critical role in several conflicts.

American civil war: both sides started with inexperienced forces and it took them some time before they got experienced.

1870, France lost its regular army within a month and though they raised masses of new troops they were no match for the Germans

1914, It took a lot of time for the British to raise their New Armies and train them, though they did not reach the level of efficiency of the old professional army.

This periode sees the transition from small standing armies to mass conscription armies and the introduction of peace time military service for all.
 

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Yes but think of the horror of trying to move around every single regiment in WW1...
When the basic manouver unit during that conflict was more or less the army corps.
 

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so many problems! :confused: i think that a corps level of organisation has to be used because regiments would be too much. and about the different sizes i think it wont be implemented there will just be one standard size..
 

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I think basic units should be regiments to represent the armies of the period. But then Regiments varied greatly in size from country to country.

From one Battallion for the British army or a few hundred men for American regiments in the ACW, to 2000 or 3000 men for nations like Germany.

Any ideas on the subject?
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Those American regiments started out with a thousand men but were wittled down to a few hundred pretty quick. Still I dealing with every regiment is a bit much.