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I vote to stay with the old rule of KJ.
 

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labalag said:
I'm for it, but only if the country receiving them has no good historical alternatives... (Like France would need no random ones while Turenne is alive and kicking)

And KJ, if our pro wrestling match would have taken any longer I'm sure we would have stabhitted you, especially with Poland's leaders...

It's good to know that you don't check ws before sending peace offers :p. You guys are very intimidating to me as long as I'm involved in a war against at least two other countries, you have uberleaders, and my forts are all minimal ;). And I have rebel popups every day because my WE is maxed out :rofl: .

As for leaders, if only the countries that don't have good historicals get leaders, won't that be the same as we have it now? ;)
 

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Tonioz said:
Yes, watching what FAL doing. Saying better what FAL not doing. So i sent troops to kick some rebels in Italy. Otherwise Spain would lose there almost everything :)

It was suprise for me, that, as far as i understood, Portugal and Spain didn`t use united fleet, because in my opinion they would win sea with warships of Portugal. Also was suprise that Portugal didn`t use troops to bug France invasion from coastal. Though i noticed them in Africa, once i cleared my own rebel at Fernando-Po. Just imho, would Iberians build this war proper way, they could win.

Btw, i failed to see Spinola at all at two wars... :eek: :eek:

They did combine fleets in most naval battles at the beginning, but they were always disadvantaged because of either Spain being down a CRT, or Portugal being behind in morale due to DOTF. And they had a hard time figuring out how to time their movements so they arrived at the same time.

Spinola died randomly in another war, I think. I never saw him either.
 

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Tonioz said:
Drake told before the game he was sure this time will be different. But that was as always. So from now i refuce to play any campaign where HG is perm. Nothing personal, only HG quits don`t give me fun in games.


ye i gave hg a last change asfar as i'm concerned, you won't see me in eu2 games with hg for a very very long time either
 

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few facts :

-spinola died random in piedmonde iirc the first war :eek:
-i dowed ottos not to take something from ottos but to kill that 50warship fleet near tunis :rofl:
- kj moving his 1500galley fleet near iona where i can see them was making me paranoid

- spain just avoided the ottoman fleet most of the war , since the stuppid fleet was so slow anyway and rarely moved from malta wasn't needed


basicle the war started not over greed but over paranoia :rofl:
 

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Absolut said:
I dont think Ive ever seen anyone make that many posts in a row. :D

i posted for once more than i posted at whole this thread :)


Talking about paranoya.

Sweden King demands explanations of English Crown behavior, where old Queen rejected Royal Marriage with brave Sweden son and started to raise the fleet. English Queen refused to explain in the game and refused to tell after the game, quitting icq after receving the question from us. That untrustable move makes good Sweden King, Adolphus Gustavus paranoyic and cancel previous treaties with sneaky Queen, who`ve made us enough troubles at the start of the campaign after promising peace and love.
 

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I smell that a certain country is gonna loose a few cots. :cool:
 

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Tonioz said:
Sweden King demands explanations of English Crown behavior, where old Queen rejected Royal Marriage with brave Sweden son and started to raise the fleet.

when you asked me for RM whole Europe was in trouble, waring each other. I was about to join one side (but i couldnt decide on whos side :wacko: , so i didnt participate in the end...). the future was very unclear and at that point i wasnt sure who will be my enemy in the very near future. So i didnt sign any RMs because receiver could be my opponent.
And of course i needed to build up my fleet to be prepard for a potential war.
 

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Tonioz said:
quitting icq after receving the question from us.
I never got this message. if i clicked it away without noticing im sorry. you have your answer here.


Tonioz said:
where old Queen rejected Royal Marriage
unfortunately old Queen is dead. Whole empire mourns, we really miss Elizabeth´s outstanding administrative skills. Our new mocharch is crap and converting the pagans is a pain.
 

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Sweden people demanded session NAP with New Queen or send nuke (Adolphus Gustavus) there. :D
 

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Ok, it seems that Tonio, Drake, Daniel, and Fal want normal random leaders.

Labby, Rokka and Sander want to keep the system we have now. Nobody seems to be very adamant either way. I don't think I'm leaving anyone out.

I'd kind of like to continue with the current system we have, but it takes a little more effort and that is not something I like. So unless anyone else wants to keep going with this, we'll just start adding randoms for everyone. Standard stuff, 2 of each type, with a chance for explorers/conquistadors, and probably average stats of 3 for now. Capped at four for now, I think.
 

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sounds good to me
 

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btw, Drake, could you explain why you accepted vassalization by OE ? Getting some lands back ?
 

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Tonioz said:
btw, Drake, could you explain why you accepted vassalization by OE ? Getting some lands back ?

ye i'm getting venice-sicily back for it and much needed peace (i hope france will let me live in peace under the protection of ottos ;) )
 

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something similar ?

Spain vassalized by France after goverment collapse
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Spain vassalized by OE after goverment collapse
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I'd kind of like to continue with the current system we have, but it takes a little more effort and that is not something I like. So unless anyone else wants to keep going with this, we'll just start adding randoms for everyone. Standard stuff, 2 of each type, with a chance for explorers/conquistadors, and probably average stats of 3 for now. Capped at four for now, I think.

I am fine with this. You might consider to upgrade the stats for the end game period.

As noted last week, I can't play this wednesday. Rokka was willing to sub me, but he is the new perm France now :)
 

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ask Ear
 

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Tonioz said:
something similar ?

Not at all. Drake made it out of the war in a much better shape. And i also think that Drake could handle France alone, shouldnt the OE interfere. Thing that the Spain in Gotter couldnt, from what i saw. After all, before 1630 (before Spinola dies and Turene apears), Spain is actually in a good position.

Now on a diferent topic - do you guys think that Spain can actually beat the OE on a 1v1? Not refering to the Spain of this game, but overall. Both will be leaderless for the second half of the game till the very end, but the OE got grotesque MP and their ship limit is bigger when comparing to Spain. I would like to hear answers. ;)
 

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BurningEGO said:
Not at all. Drake made it out of the war in a much better shape. And i also think that Drake could handle France alone, shouldnt the OE interfere. Thing that the Spain in Gotter couldnt, from what i saw. After all, before 1630 (before Spinola dies and Turene apears), Spain is actually in a good position.

Now on a diferent topic - do you guys think that Spain can actually beat the OE on a 1v1? Not refering to the Spain of this game, but overall. Both will be leaderless for the second half of the game till the very end, but the OE got grotesque MP and their ship limit is bigger when comparing to Spain. I would like to hear answers. ;)

well ottos was loosing without leaderdisadvantage so ye :p