Aristocrats in Revolutions

[Gwalcmai]

Seeing as I'm still holding out on getting the expansion... *

Capitalists in Revolutions spend their savings to create industries and railroads, right?

What to Aristocrats do with their savings?

* - Anyone tried installing from Gamersgate through Wine?

 

[Eärendil]

Nothing (expect buying luxury goods and stuff).

 

[Orm]

Nothing (expect buying luxury goods and stuff).

It's a bit sad that you can't tax aristos and capis separately, the toffeenoses would be a bit more useful then.

 

[Aethis]

This is why I love the event, (the one that changes half your aristocrats into capitalists) especially for China!

 

[jonti-h]

It's a bit sad that you can't tax aristos and capis separately, the toffeenoses would be a bit more useful then.

Indeed - I always felt it was a shame that the aristocrats were so useless in Vicky - but taxing them too much meant poor capitalists too

 

[Armfeldt]

Well, you could tax them till they devolve in the early game, and when they're gone lower the tax and promote capis, who will earn more when they don't have to share with the aristos.

 

[unmerged(106891)]

I read somewhere that they give a bonus to RGO production (not sure how true that is... maybe an intention that never got fulfilled in the game??).

Ahh, here is the link: http://www.paradoxian.org/vickywiki/index.php/POPs#Aristocrats

 

[Orm]

I read somewhere that they give a bonus to RGO production (not sure how true that is... maybe an intention that never got fulfilled in the game??).

Ahh, here is the link: http://www.paradoxian.org/vickywiki/index.php/POPs#Aristocrats

There was a thread about that a while back, and someone did a test. IIRC the conclusion was that aristos give a bonus to RGO production, but only in their own province*. They would give a bonus to RGO production if they were forced to work there too.

*Edit: so the article is correct.

 

[SeedSnatcher]

I would keep a few around if you're reaching up the commerce techs, though. Some dandy inventions turn aristocrats into capitalists.

Although it can turn aristocrats in your colonies into capitalists. Much nicer for non-colonizing nations.

 

[Orm]

I would keep a few around if you're reaching up the commerce techs, though. Some dandy inventions turn aristocrats into capitalists.

That's a horrible invention if you have aristocrats, I want to be able to control where I get capitalists.

 

[unmerged(106891)]

That's a horrible invention if you have aristocrats, I want to be able to control where I get capitalists.

Same... would much prefer to concentrate industrialisation in states/areas with high population density, with perhaps poor RGO's, so they can be the industrial heart of my nation. This way the better value RGO's can be benefitted further by having some landed gentry in the countryside giving them a bonus (which now I know is true - the bonus I mean) in that province.

 

[Gwalcmai]

That's a horrible invention if you have aristocrats, I want to be able to control where I get capitalists.

No comparison to the Bank Sector Hausse in terms of annoyance. It's recurring, and each time it hits you have to stop everything and go check your industrial regions to find where the cursed event wreaked havoc with your factory population.

 

[ArneHD]

No comparison to the Bank Sector Hausse in terms of annoyance. It's recurring, and each time it hits you have to stop everything and go check your industrial regions to find where the cursed event wreaked havoc with your factory population.

Yeah, it would be a lot better if this event directly countered the Bank sector collapse which reduces rich taxes by 10%, if I remember correctly.

 

[unmerged(48056)]

IMO the most useless pop in the game.


And not much different in real life. Aristocrats were pretty much landowners who did nothing except exploit peasants and challenged the state.
In France, the Aristocrats successfully lobbied and succeeded in removing much of the Monarchy's power, and lowered taxes (for themselves at least) and bankrupted the state.


Although the game doesn't stimulate the power squabbling, aristocrats compete with capitalists and capitalists end up earning less money, thus less factories and railroads.



Most of the time I get rid of them by slapping on 100% tax. Sometimes I keep them (such as in state capitalism) for the tax income

 

[|AXiN|]

I don't know that the French picture is universally accurate. I would like to be able to tax the different classes seperately though.

 

[Dark Scipio]

Question: Whats worth more?

So what is better:
Keep the Aristocrats and gain the production bonus in a rich RGO province and get rich taxes from them
or make them degrade and have a Pop more in the rich RGO as a farmer/labourer?

 

[Orm]

So what is better:
Keep the Aristocrats and gain the production bonus in a rich RGO province and get rich taxes from them
or make them degrade and have a Pop more in the rich RGO as a farmer/labourer?

If I had no capitalists at the start I'd be tempted to try and get rid of the aristocrats before I promote capitalists, with Brazil for example. But it will usually take quite a while to bleed their bank-accounts dry.

 

[Meanmanturbo]

If I had no capitalists at the start I'd be tempted to try and get rid of the aristocrats before I promote capitalists, with Brazil for example. But it will usually take quite a while to bleed their bank-accounts dry.

Yeah, early on when demands are low it might not be enough to go with full tax and tariffs. they might even still be building reserves.

 

[Gwalcmai]

Do the upper class toffs buy bonds, at least?

 

[jonti-h]

Do the upper class toffs buy bonds, at least?

They are meant to IIRC, but they don't seem to.