Aristocratic Elite is a must have because the game is lying

[Duuk]

Want to really screw your numbers up? Nerve stapling destroys your economy. The game doesn't recognize the pops as happy or unhappy and screws up their consumer goods usage like crazy. If you nerve staple massive amounts of proletarian workers (like hundreds of pops) it will tank your economy like crazy.

 

[RoverStorm]

Want to really screw your numbers up? Nerve stapling destroys your economy. The game doesn't recognize the pops as happy or unhappy and screws up their consumer goods usage like crazy. If you nerve staple massive amounts of proletarian workers (like hundreds of pops) it will tank your economy like crazy.

Uh....wat?!? Happiness/Unhappiness has zero affect on consumner goods consumption; are you sure that their living standards on the new species didn't just default to something insane like Chemical Bliss, or you added it to a whole bunch of your specialist/ruler pops?

As far as their PP goes, I have no idea. I assume it would be like gestalts and they just.....count as neither increasing nor decreasing stability. It's a similar mechanic to rogue servitors: the happy biotrophies do increase stability, but not by the maximum amount because the gestalt pops still have default PP and drag the stability toward +0%.

 

[Orimichi]

are we playing the same game? I have an authoritarian fanatic xenophobe empire with aristocratic elite and syncretic evolution and all my planets have between 80 and 100% stability( most higher than 90%), really high happiness, crime only because of crime syndicate and on my resort world, even my penal world have none. I agree that 15% stability bonus is really good but it's not a must have.
In an other hand i found that crime is a must have : seriously 10% stability bonuses with so few drawback....

 

[The Founder]

Want to really screw your numbers up? Nerve stapling destroys your economy. The game doesn't recognize the pops as happy or unhappy and screws up their consumer goods usage like crazy. If you nerve staple massive amounts of proletarian workers (like hundreds of pops) it will tank your economy like crazy.

Uh....wat?!? Happiness/Unhappiness has zero affect on consumner goods consumption; are you sure that their living standards on the new species didn't just default to something insane like Chemical Bliss, or you added it to a whole bunch of your specialist/ruler pops?

^^That. The claim really makes no sense, unless we first asume you did something totally unrelated wrong.

 

[Stars_and_Bars]

Want to really screw your numbers up? Nerve stapling destroys your economy. The game doesn't recognize the pops as happy or unhappy and screws up their consumer goods usage like crazy. If you nerve staple massive amounts of proletarian workers (like hundreds of pops) it will tank your economy like crazy.

I've used nerve stapling dozens of times and it's never screwed up my economy. Never nerve staple a species that isn't already enslaved.

 

[Kryndude]

This simply cannot be true.

It is true and that's why I'm saying the game is lying.

 

[Secret Master]

In an other hand i found that crime is a must have : seriously 10% stability bonuses with so few drawback....

As one poster on the forum put it:

Crime lords are basically the Stability Lords. Far more efficient than your aristocratic elite and their fancy stability jobs.