Are you KIDDING me?!?

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My units cannot draw supplies from, or even more galling, THROUGH, the territories of my puppets? What the hell is this about?! I puppeted the UK, now I have about 35 divisions cut off from supply in Asia and Africa, even the ones that are still in German territory! Is this for real?!? Is there a way to edit the save game file to change it? My garrison in the UK proper is in supply, and I have no convoys running there - is this due to the fact that a capital is there? I thought that territory going to the nations supplying the conquering troops was the most infuriating part of this game, but this strikes me as being beyond any reason. Maybe someone can explain it to me, though, then perhaps I'll calm down... Until then, what the bloody heck do I do with all those troops? I can't possibly hope to run convoys past the US and Australian navy in the Indian Ocean. This stinks,

Thanks for letting me vent, any help appreciated...

Chris

 

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Did you try saving the game then restarting?

 

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Absolutely

Did you try saving the game then restarting?

Yes, I did. I have five para divisions stuck in the pacific islands now, no way i can see to get them back except to do a paradrop somewhere in india, relocate the transports, wait for them to org up, do it again - too frustrating for words after all this work. Total, absolute drag...but thanks much for the suggestion.

 

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Remember that unless your puppet is supplying its own territory, there's no supplies for your units to draw from. This is a common occurance for Germany in North Africa when in Italian-controlled provinces, because the Italians don't seem to want to send supplies, or at least not enough. So, yes, supply will trace, but there has to be supply actually in the province first. Looks like you'll have to send convoys

 

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Supply & convoys

Hey,

I hate to risk a "flame" post, but you just said you puppeted UK & now you wonder why your German troops in India and the Pacific are out of supply???

I'm afraid that convoys are the only way you are going to be able to fix this situation. Therefore, you WILL have to risk the loss of ships from the Australian & US navies. If you have ever played the UK (and it's much fun BTW) you will know that it has 25+ convoys supplying all of its various colonies & allies. You must do the same if you want to use the UK's empire.

Out of interest, how did you puppet the UK? The UK has about a dozen victory centres spread around the globe. Did you manage to capture them all, or did you simply invade the UK?

Cheers,

Lozza12

 

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Wouldn't have believed it...

Hey,

I hate to risk a "flame" post, but you just said you puppeted UK & now you wonder why your German troops in India and the Pacific are out of supply???

I'm afraid that convoys are the only way you are going to be able to fix this situation. Therefore, you WILL have to risk the loss of ships from the Australian & US navies. If you have ever played the UK (and it's much fun BTW) you will know that it has 25+ convoys supplying all of its various colonies & allies. You must do the same if you want to use the UK's empire.

Out of interest, how did you puppet the UK? The UK has about a dozen victory centres spread around the globe. Did you manage to capture them all, or did you simply invade the UK?

Cheers,

Lozza12

...well, you did, in fact explain it to me. Thanks for that. I've never played UK (this is actually my first full game). I puppeted the UK by capturing every VP province except Hong Kong, Kuching and the South Solomon Islands. This screenshot is from the day before I decided to puppet them (I was originally going to go for the whole shebang, using paratroops, but man it would have taken forever. I didn't want to lose that much rubber, but in exchange I got a pretty decent Navy to help with the eventual conquest of Japan and the US.

Before I started Barbarossa, I spent the winter of 40-41 driving through India and toward Southeast Asia. I had to pull my forces back and redeploy them for the fight against the Soviets. I forced the bitter peace in August '41, then re-deployed and crushed the British, who were down to about 40 infantry divisions, in India and Myanmar and Bhutan and such. Then I went back after the Soviets the following winter, it's August '43 now and Russia controls three more victory hexes. Their capital is surrounded, so it won't be long. I have to decide whether to drag my forces on through the winter toward Vladivostok, or try to puppet them after taking Irkutsk and Novosibirsk.

Before anyone gets the idea that I'm some kind of great HOI commander, I meant to play this game on normal/normal, but forgot to reset after my first incomplete game and went on normal/weakling. I realized my mistake after the bitter peace and switched to normal/normal, but I'd already annihilated most of the UK and USSR by then, so it's not such a great feat of arms as I had thought.

What do you all think - should I try to attack Japan first, or the US? I'm tempted to leave America to the end, so they'll be a tougher foe. And the Japanese navy, if I could puppet them, would be a nice help.

 

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Out of interest, are you playing HOI version 1.06, or an earlier version?

If you ARE playing 1.06, then I'm quite stunned by Germany's progress up to 1942! Nice job.

Lozza12

 

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I almost think puppeting is n exploit anyway. I really don't think Britain ever could have been completely puppetted. For Britain, any puppet event should be more like the Vichy France event where some go along with the installed government, others fight on.

 

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Hi,

I used to be completely swayed in your directiong (that there would have been a "Vichy" UK), but something I saw on PBS on the leadup to the Battle of Britain changed my mind. Hitler offered EXTREMELY gracious surrender terms to Brittain right after Dunkirque (sp?):

1. Britain would keep her whole empire. Lock, stock and colonies.
2. Britain would keep her sovreignity.
3. Britain would keep her entire FLEET! and other armed forces.

There was only one condition:

Britain would grant Germany a free hand in Europe.

Lord Halifax went nearly bonkers trying to force the cabinet to accept it. It was only by Churchill meeting with the cabinet in Lord Halifax's absense and battering them into submission that he got them to agree to reject the terms.

I was amazed at these terms and had never heard anything like this. Now, of course, this isn't puppeting, but my take on these discusions was that Germany might, in fact, have been able to puppet Britain behind Lord Halifax and the heir who married Mrs. Simpson. (Brain implosion, just can't remember his name at the moment.)

I almost think puppeting is n exploit anyway. I really don't think Britain ever could have been completely puppetted. For Britain, any puppet event should be more like the Vichy France event where some go along with the installed government, others fight on.

 

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Hitler was actually a great admirer of Great Britain. He viewed the English as nearly pure Aryan and didn't want to fight them (at least at first). He apparently felt that once Germany had demonstrated its strength by defeating France and the BEF, the UK would come to an arrangement with the Reich and allow them to deal with their "mutual, true" enemy - the Soviet Union. Of course, as the war continued and Britain refused to "be reasonable" his opinion changed. (The syphillus attacking his central nervous system probably had something to do with it too.)

 

[Svend Karlson]

Hi,

I used to be completely swayed in your directiong (that there would have been a "Vichy" UK), but something I saw on PBS on the leadup to the Battle of Britain changed my mind. Hitler offered EXTREMELY gracious surrender terms to Brittain right after Dunkirque (sp?):

1. Britain would keep her whole empire. Lock, stock and colonies.
2. Britain would keep her sovreignity.
3. Britain would keep her entire FLEET! and other armed forces.

There was only one condition:

Britain would grant Germany a free hand in Europe.

They actually made better offers than that. At least one of the (many many) peace proposals from Germany to Britain offered to restore the sovereignty of all of Western Europe - France, Belgium, Netherlands, Luxembourg, Denmark & Sweden, in addition to the above.

 

[LewsTherin]

They actually made better offers than that. At least one of the (many many) peace proposals from Germany to Britain offered to restore the sovereignty of all of Western Europe - France, Belgium, Netherlands, Luxembourg, Denmark & Sweden, in addition to the above.

Umm...Sweden was never invaded by Germany. Sure, one could argue that it wasn't quite sovereign due to the German troop transports through its territory, but still. Sorry, I'm Swedish and this is kind of important to me!

 

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...well, you did, in fact explain it to me. Thanks for that. I've never played UK (this is actually my first full game). I puppeted the UK by capturing every VP province except Hong Kong, Kuching and the South Solomon Islands. This screenshot is from the day before I decided to puppet them (I was originally going to go for the whole shebang, using paratroops, but man it would have taken forever. I didn't want to lose that much rubber, but in exchange I got a pretty decent Navy to help with the eventual conquest of Japan and the US.

I'd like to know, Why are you so worried about that rubber? Your resources are totally maxed out? How?

 

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Resources

I'd like to know, Why are you so worried about that rubber? Your resources are totally maxed out? How?

I annexed the Netherlands, puppeted the UK and Belgium, and each time got a big supply bump. That screen shot is from the day I annexed the Netherlands, so I go tons of supplies from them. When fighting in India, when I conquered Bombay I got massive supply increases. Then I fell back from India and when I went back again the following winter, the same thing happened again. The first time it was pretty key, I was out of rubber and down to about 7,000 oil. I get 15,000 oil every six months from Romania, which is largely wasted now. I also conquered the entire middle east in 1940 and the caucuses in spring of '41, so I've been getting lots of oil from there. I actually enjoy the trading part of the game, and am good at using the world market, so I started the war in October '38 with 66,000 rubber and maxed steel and oil from trading. During the war, I'll still do trades with my excess coal, which are at about a 10:1 ratio but that's better than wasting as much as 600 coal a day once I max it out and before I have islands to store it on.

I'm not so much worried about rubber, but I have so many IC's due to conquest that I was actually running at a coal deficit for a while. I was afraid I'd eventually have to convert coal-oil-rubber and my economy would crash. It's not such a problem after puppeting the UK and Belgium though.

 

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Yes

Out of interest, are you playing HOI version 1.06, or an earlier version?

If you ARE playing 1.06, then I'm quite stunned by Germany's progress up to 1942! Nice job.

Lozza12

I am playing 1.06 and thanks for the compliment, remember the thing about the difficulty settings though. I'll try CORE and see what happens.