Are there going to be super weapons ???

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Is there going to be super wepons like the dora cannon or that cannon (i dont remember its name) that was built to shell britan or the H-44 battleship or the Ratte 1,000 ton tank or ice aircraft cariers or flying tanks for the SU or floating bombs for japan i mean whats WWII without weird wepons.
 
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I think you might want to check your definition of a superweapon. Sure Ratte was (supposed to be) big, but is was pretty much impossible to make use of from an engineering point of view. I'd call it a super waste of space.
 
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99% of superweapons are total waste of resources. I´d even argue V1 and V2 were total waste of resources that could have been better spent.
 
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99% of superweapons are total waste of resources. I´d even argue V1 and V2 were total waste of resources that could have been better spent.

Might be, but that wasn't all the rockets' themselves fault. They lacked the necessary intelligence support for targeting because of the excellent British counterintelligence network.
 
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Might be, but that wasn't all the rockets' themselves fault. They lacked the necessary intelligence support for targeting because of the excellent British counterintelligence network.

Not only. They did not have enough precision, so even if you know factory location it could easily miss it.
But at least they provided some results, not like Ratte or project of continental cannons on coast of France to hit England.
 
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99% of superweapons are total waste of resources. I´d even argue V1 and V2 were total waste of resources that could have been better spent.

I first read this as Victoria 1 and 2. I was pretty ornery until it dawned on me lol
 

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Not only. They did not have enough precision, so even if you know factory location it could easily miss it.
But at least they provided some results, not like Ratte or project of continental cannons on coast of France to hit England.

I don't think V2's were planned to target factories in the first place. Weren't they first and foremost a terror bombing method? Of course we know that HoI4 will abstract that into industrial damage.
 

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Not only. They did not have enough precision, so even if you know factory location it could easily miss it.
But at least they provided some results, not like Ratte or project of continental cannons on coast of France to hit England.

Well, you do also have to factor in that you need to try out stuff in order to get more advanced. It´s not like Germany could´ve researched rockets a bit longer, and immediately started building the V2 weapons. Early weapons like the V1 are also experiments to help you improve them to a V2 or more advanced rocket weapons...
 

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I guess that failed WWII prototypes would be a nice DLC feature. Like said before in this topic, most of those prototypes were scrapped before being constructed and those that saw the light of day, usually turned out to be a huge waste of resources. But it would be fun to be able to use them, with all their practical drawbacks and huge development costs during those silly What-if scenarios.
 
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Well, I agree that Death Stars are for Stellaris (Wiz wouldn't deny it in those streams). My guess is niche "superweapons" will be in high-end Mods before the actual game devs can even start thinking about that DLC.

Although, I do really want my 20,000 strong divions of Russian anti-tank mine dogs.
 
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99% of superweapons are total waste of resources. I´d even argue V1 and V2 were total waste of resources that could have been better spent.
During WW2, true. But rocket technology that was developed thanks to V1 and V2 is important. Certainly something any nation preparing for Cold War would want, but without Cold War expansion of some sort, that point becomes meaningless.
 

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Well, you do also have to factor in that you need to try out stuff in order to get more advanced. It´s not like Germany could´ve researched rockets a bit longer, and immediately started building the V2 weapons. Early weapons like the V1 are also experiments to help you improve them to a V2 or more advanced rocket weapons...
Large rockets without GPS or some sort of accurate navigation system will never be accurate enough for anything other than a nuclear weapon. That didn't exist until the satellite era. You are not going to be able in that era build something precise enough to hit some like a factory from 300KM away with a pre set mechanical navigation system.

The only useful rockets of those days were rocket artillery for sudden saturation barrages, of which they could be quite effective given their initial extremely high rate of fire, until they need to be reloaded then it's regular artilleries job after that due to their ability to sustain fire.
 

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Large rockets without GPS or some sort of accurate navigation system will never be accurate enough for anything other than a nuclear weapon. That didn't exist until the satellite era. You are not going to be able in that era build something precise enough to hit some like a factory from 300KM away with a pre set mechanical navigation system.

The only useful rockets of those days were rocket artillery for sudden saturation barrages, of which they could be quite effective given their initial extremely high rate of fire, until they need to be reloaded then it's regular artilleries job after that due to their ability to sustain fire.

I´m sorry, but what does that have to do with my response? Not trolling or anything, I would genuinely like to know.

I just wanted to point out that if you want to create new weapons, you sometimes have to try stuff out. After the war we know that most (if not all) of the superweapons were a complete waste of time and resources, but could German leaders at that time have known that? From what they knew the V-weapons could have been a really impactfull weapon. Just saying that a lot of this discussion is based on hindsight, in my opinion.
 
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We have one super weapon. The Atom Bomb.

This is Hearts of Iron IV, not Fallout IV. Though German Protectrons marching over its enemies would be amusing.
 

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I´m sorry, but what does that have to do with my response? Not trolling or anything, I would genuinely like to know.

I just wanted to point out that if you want to create new weapons, you sometimes have to try stuff out. After the war we know that most (if not all) of the superweapons were a complete waste of time and resources, but could German leaders at that time have known that? From what they knew the V-weapons could have been a really impactfull weapon. Just saying that a lot of this discussion is based on hindsight, in my opinion.
Well it was just in response to devolving more, I was assuming you meant in the HOI timeframe to 1948. I mean sure if it went into the 50's there might have been some kind of accurate enough electronic guidance system of some kind maybe. Of course in hindsight we know that the motivations of Werner Von Braun and the German leaders were quite different. They were using each other, Von Braun wanted to make rockets that eventually went into space, which he did, in the USA, and the military wanted weapons, both had a parallel development at that point.

What I am getting to on that is that Von Braun was going to lie about what he could do in order to get funding, like how the America Bomber wasn't ever meant to be a bomber by the engineers, they just wanted an expensive experiment. So yes the German leaders would not have known that the V-Weapons were pointless because of bad information given to them, with conventional explosives at least and Germany never gave a full effort on nuclear weapons to begin with.

If Von Braun had given the truth he would have pointed out that it would take a very long time to get a guidance system good enough for V weapons to be viable, realistically it wasn't until the late 1970's that was even feasible. Funny story on that too, after the first successful V-2 launch there was a celebration party where Von Braun said that it was a success but they landed on the wrong planet, blurting out his real intentions of the entire project, and was arrested by the Gestapo for treason or something like that, eventually let go only after much effort by his superiors.

I would say in the end that V weapons needed the most hindsight to see their futility within the near future, thinks like the P-1000 and the like was viewed as stupid by everyone that new anything about tank warfare. The super heavy guns didn't take much hindsight either since they were overall inferior to a far cheaper bomber, took two weeks to set up, and cost as much as an entire Panzer division. I mean there was only one time they did something a bomber couldn't do and that was taking out an ammo bunker at Sevastapol that was not only 30 meters under water but covered by 10 meters of concrete. Other than that it really didn't do anything that a bomber with a large armor piercing bomb could have done for a small fraction of the price.
 
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We have one super weapon. The Atom Bomb.

What? No love for RADAR or the proximity fuse for AA guns? ;)

My joking aside, I have sort of come to the boring conclusion that the real "super weapons" of the war were some of the least sexy things. RADAR is a super weapon of the most awesome kind. It changed the nature of the war substantially on sea and air. No RADAR? You were fighting at a real disadvantage.

There is a certain literary flavor to many of the so-called "super weapons," but the real super weapons of the war were the things that weren't flashy, but they worked really well.

"We have two new technologies. One can land soldiers on the moon using rockets. The other cuts the construction time of Liberty ships by 10%. Which should we focus on?"

"Is this a joke? Stop wasting my time and focus on rockets to the moon, obviously."

"Sure thing, insane bizarro FDR."
 
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It is more issue of still being in early development stage.
Tanks showed up in WW1, but they were ugly monstrosities and armies had to learn how to use them too.

Jets showed up in WW2, but they were not sexy MIGs and F-16 that came many years later.
Even Carrier technology was comparetively new and not enough tested.
Still, some technologies managed to mature in war years, some were too complex to fully grasp their potential.
I would say radar progressed strongly during war years, becoming much smaller to be mounted even on airplanes.
Also, friend or foe technology.
So if you know where to look, this gradual equipment progress is more exciting than projects which failed for one or other reason.

Besides, new technologies often require other technologies to strongly progress. Jets is a good example, as in 1930ies there were not good enough alloys for jet engine requirements.