Are the new ''early manufactories'' worth it ?

[BaronNoir]

I'm aware that Manufactories relative value is highlty dependant on the date-they pay back considerably more if build earlier than later (but again, later, I'm swimming in ducats to the point of building universities in every single province...). However, a 500 ducats (base) investment before 1500 is...hefty to say the least

 

[cplfernandez]

Actually it is even better than most manufactures as the earlier you build them the more time they have to produce. It is especially good for grain and wine, while livestock is 20% less productive due to price.
So if we don't consider production or trade income modifiers or tech modifiers for later in the game, nor production bonus from other buildings and we assume you control your trade nodes entirely then it is going to take you 100 years to pay of the farm estate. This gives you roughly 200 years of benefit or around 1000 extra ducats. Obviously the real number will be higher because of modifiers and technology.

Now is it worth building them over other investments? No probably not as the farm estate is equal to 5 production development on a grain producing province.

 

[indika_tates]

Every building that increases your income is worth it ever. Maybe at certain point of the game there will be buildings that can't be amortized because you don't have enough time to recover the initial investment. But at that point you're going to roll on ducats anyway so it really doesn't matter.

+1 goods produced = 5dip/dev increase. It's huge.

Other thing to consider is that manufactories also increase trade value, hence increasing your trade power in a node then raising your trade income. So you have 2x reasons to spam manufactories just everywhere.

 

[Sfan]

The question is not whether or not spending the money is positive in the end: any decent player will only do positive actions with their money. It's whether or not there are more beneficial things to do with 500 ducats early game. For most countries, yes. For majors, no.

 

[Badesumofu]

I can see building the new one on Wine provinces as France. Would be situational, though.

 

[TheDutchWarlord]

I think that the building is worth it, assuming you have a decent surplus of money and the provinces you're building them in are in the trade node you collect in, or feed into your trade node and you have a decent majority there. However I don't think taking loans or spamming Debase is worth it to build them.

 

[ShoGuL]

Playing a Florence>Tuscany game for prince of egypt right now. Italy is already super rich; being able to manufactory all those wine provinces right away was huge; never been this relatively wealthy in a game before I think. Definitely worth it Especially if you are restrained by AE as it is.

 

[Casko]

They are as they increase both your trade income and pure income if I am not mistaken?
so the 500 may seem deep but it pays itself back in no time.

 

[sti]

You really need to define no time. If a building takes 50 years to break even it might as well take 500. The snowballing effects of building more units is far higher if you are just trying to expand. And if you are RPing then efficiency hardly matters.

 

[apocalypse06]

500 ducats early game can go to so much more useful stuff (unless you're going tall). If you're in a position early game to afford factories, you can probably afford level 2 or even 3 advisors from estates.

 

[cplfernandez]

You really need to define no time. If a building takes 50 years to break even it might as well take 500. The snowballing effects of building more units is far higher if you are just trying to expand. And if you are RPing then efficiency hardly matters.

For the most part I agree. It is a game of conquest and therefore conquest is the most productive means to increase power. It will only take 50 admin power to core 5 production which is equivalent to the manufacturies(not even considering taking a better trade good like gold which will far outproduce). That 500 ducats is better spent on advisors and soldiers which will with any luck be a far more efficient use of the money. Though it may not be purely counterproductive for large countries to build them as SFan said. Still likely not the right decision lol.

 

[BaronNoir]

I managed to squish 12 manufactories as England before 1500...sure hope they will add up.