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Got a little game time in last night while my wife was watching "her show" (don't know if it's EVER been said on this forum, but thank God for Gilmour Girls...)

Been lurking up till now, but this hits home too much. How many of us have "favorite shows" because it gives us extra game time while the significant other watches TV?
 

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me too. my wife watches greys anatomy.
 

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KML62 said:
Got a little game time in last night while my wife was watching "her show" (don't know if it's EVER been said on this forum, but thank God for Gilmour Girls...)

Been lurking up till now, but this hits home too much. How many of us have "favorite shows" because it gives us extra game time while the significant other watches TV?
Not me. First we do not have a TV, secondly my wife does not mind me playing HOI. She says I could be playing worse things. ;)
 

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charlieart66 said:
i think you either missed the joke or chose to ignore it.

jack as in jack and the beanstalk.

as for my wife, i dont have one but im just doing my homework or just a sec works for my mother
Ohhhhh that was bad. I did not get it and would be worried if I did.

Never tried just doing my homework on my wife but I doubt it would work. Just a sec works for a very short time. Best time to play is when she is working 'til 9pm, or after I spend some time doing Honeydo's or running errands with her I can get a few hours in without any guilt laid on.
 

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ComradeOm said:
Let's at least keep up the pretence of not derailing the thread.
Very true, though if the oh pea could give us an update on his war winning bomber offensive we wouldn't get bored and wander oh tea (though Alkar has an interesting game going)...

Borsook I'm jealous, I would love to throw the TV out. KLM62 - welcome to the forum!
 

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noobermenschen said:
Very true, though if the oh pea could give us an update on his war winning bomber offensive we wouldn't get bored and wander oh tea (though Alkar has an interesting game going)...

Borsook I'm jealous, I would love to throw the TV out. KLM62 - welcome to the forum!

you could say you are drinking green tea with envy

<does this work?>
 

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noobermenschen said:
... if the oh pea could give us an update...
Sorry... I started back to school full-time this week (at age 50 :rolleyes: ) so I haven't had much time lately for Doomsday.

I'll try to get some playing time in this weekend.
 

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Sorry... I started back to school full-time this week (at age 50 :rolleyes: ) so I haven't had much time lately for Doomsday.
I think Qvist will be happy to hear you decided to heed his advice ;)
 

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blue emu said:
Sorry... I started back to school full-time this week (at age 50 :rolleyes: ) so I haven't had much time lately for Doomsday.

I'll try to get some playing time in this weekend.


So, what are you studying? Now, it can't be cartoons in television...
 

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blue emu said:
Sorry... I started back to school full-time this week (at age 50 :rolleyes: ) so I haven't had much time lately for Doomsday.

I'll try to get some playing time in this weekend.


Good for you, going back to school! Sorry about sending this thread on a tangent, so to try to rerail ...

The bombing campaign reports so far are fascinating. Several people have mentioned the level of micro-management required, so my question is how tough would it be to carry out something like this in MP? (I've only played SP so far)
 

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Mork said:
So, what are you studying? Now, it can't be cartoons in television...
I wish...

The courses cover various computer packages like Word Processors, Spreadsheets, Databases, Desktop Publishing... also keyboarding (typing), Basic Accounting and Conversational French.

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I think Qvist will be happy to hear you decided to heed his advice
Yes, I will be sure to ask the Professors just how the Red Army came to be the most efficiently organized, highly trained and effective Army in WW-II... Qvist will be so proud of me...

KML62 said:
... how tough would it be to carry out something like this in MP?
Since I never play anything but SP, I'm not the proper person to answer that. I understand that most MP games are played at "Slow" or "Very Slow", though.
 

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I think the experiment has already shown that a focus on bombers can give an effective force. However, I think you have imposed a self handicap that is forcing you to unduly limit your overall objective.

You stated that you think a successful strat bombing campaign against German industry will just feed Europe to the Soviets. This does not necessarily have to be true.

I recommend using the bombers to ensure that Germany does not defeat Russia. Once it is clear that the threat of this is passed, you should focus on a win for the Western Allies rather than just preventing an Axis win.

Naturally that means switching back to tactical objectives such as the logistics in France or whatever invasion area you choose. To go for an actual Allied victory based on a strong bomber campaign, I think at some point it will be necessry to take military control of the Americans so that you have enough ground forces to work with.

Historically this level of coordination would have been present. I don't think you can rely on the American AI to support you as well.
 

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Update : January 25th, 1942.

With the end of the early Winter storms, Bomber Command has resumed the Strategic Campaign against the Ruhr Valley industries. As before, the plan is to first "pound out" a safe corridor through the occupied Netherlands, then leave minimal Forces to keep that area suppressed while moving on to a full-scale campaign against the Ruhr. Logistical Strikes, Installation Strikes and Strategic Bombing will all be used... with most of the early emphasis on Installation Strikes to minimize losses to the increasingly dangerous German Flak.

German total ICs are at 359 at the beginning of the 1942 campaign, and the German combat Air strength (not counting Air Transports) stands at:

Fighters : 5
Interceptors : 9
CAS : 1
TAC : 10
NAV : 7

The RAF totals:

Fighters : 18
Interceptors : 20
CAS : 12
STRAT : 27
TAC : 8

... but several groups (of CAS, TAC and INT) are operating in the Far East against Japanese and Siamese forces. No further sign has been seen of the Japanese CV Task Force that raided Rangoon... although all of the British CVs and most of the BBs and CAs have been deployed to Indochinese waters in hopes of catching intruding Japanese Task Forces.

Overland attacks by British Army forces operating from Burma and the Singapore area are advancing on Bangkok to split Siam in two, and much of the Siamese Army has been destroyed by Ground Attack from RAF forces.

Update : February 25th, 1942.

One month after the resumption of the Air offensive over Europe, the initial goals have been successfully achieved. The Netherlands is once again a logistical wasteland, with AA-defenses and Factories crushed by bombing. The Ruhr area (Westfalen) is in the same sorry state, with all the Factories destroyed and AA-defenses completely suppressed. Infrastructure averages around 10%. The campaign is now being expanded into the Hannover region... where some of the toughest German Flak defenses have been built up (eg: 10-AA in Hannover itself).

Despite the increasingly heavy Flak defenses, losses continue to run at an acceptable level... about 16 ICs-per-day. The German Luftwaffe is slowly losing ground, their total strength (initial forces + builds - losses) dropping by five Squadrons in the past month, with two more Axis Minor Squadrons lost as well.

German ICs now stand at 286... a -20% reduction after one month of bombing.

In the Far East, the overland attacks by British forces from Burma and Singapore have linked up at Bangkok, cutting Siam in two. They are now being reorganized to push North-Eastward into the mountainous interior, to capture the last centers of resistance (VPs). The Siamese Army has almost ceased to exist.

There has still been no further contact with the IJN, although the British CV Task Force has expanded its patrols past Singapore in an effort to lure the Japanese into battle. The USA has taken over the defense of Hong Kong, despite British advice to simply abandon the area. The US now has 11 CVs available for battle... together with the 7 British CVs (with 4 more under construction), this should greatly outnumber the Japanese CV inventory.
 

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blue emu said:
German ICs now stand at 286... a -20% reduction after one month of bombing.
Unreal. You are definitely making a case for Strats. Do you plan on an early return to the continent if you continue beating the Luftwaffe down and the Japanese back?

My UK game is at Feb '39 and I will post progress later tonight, but I have a few n00b questions.

How did you build your supplies stockpile up while building and trading for units? Did you start producing them before the war? After the first couple of years I was consuming more supplies than I could get through trades as the USA started getting stingy and I refused to trade for supplies from my Allies. In fact I gifted France a trade of 6 oil & 6 supplies early on. My stockpiles are slowly rebuilding after putting 14 IC into production.

Have you done any parallel builds of Strats or did you get to 27 through single builds only? I will probably cancel my builds once I have the 1940 techs and throw everything into upgrades before restarting production, and anticipate having 14 Strats and 12 TACs by Sep '39, most if not all brigaded. I will only have 8-10 fighters though, and will probably start a string of 1940 FTR immediately on researching the tech.

I have read that traits are better than skill in Naval and Air Leaders. I have quite a few skill 2 and 3 Blockade Runners, Spotters and a couple of Superior Tacticians. Should I try to Auto promote these guys before say, Bruce Fraser who is skill 5 with no traits?
 

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noobermenschen said:
Unreal. You are definitely making a case for Strats. Do you plan on an early return to the continent if you continue beating the Luftwaffe down and the Japanese back?
I have tentatively scheduled my return to the continent for late Spring 1943... earlier than that if the Germans should collapse in Russia. That gives me about 15 months to whack Japan.

noobermenschen said:
How did you build your supplies stockpile up while building and trading for units? Did you start producing them before the war?
I started the war with about 20,000 Supplies... trading Resources with anyone who offered Supplies or Money. I certainly did produce Supplies before the war... that's one reason that my Industry and Army are both fairly small. To answer an earlier question of yours, I've had the initial Lend-Lease shipment plus one more.

noobermenschen said:
Have you done any parallel builds of Strats or did you get to 27 through single builds only?
I built in a single serial until the war started, then added a second one with the ICs freed by the CG reduction for being at war. I have since added two more serials, now that I'm into the cost-reducing 1942 STRAT Doctrines.

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I have read that traits are better than skill in Naval and Air Leaders. I have quite a few skill 2 and 3 Blockade Runners, Spotters and a couple of Superior Tacticians. Should I try to Auto promote these guys before say, Bruce Fraser who is skill 5 with no traits?
Each applicable trait (mostly Superior Tactician) is worth five skill-levels in combat efficiency modifiers... but skill-levels are still better for your Positioning modifiers. I suggest high skill for BB Leaders, good traits for ASW and CV Leaders. Naturally, it's best if you could have both high skill and good traits.
 

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Allright, as I posted before I'm at Feb 1939 and I hope to get to Danzig or War by Thanksgiving weekend. I have started researching my first two 1940 techs (Defensive Planning and Improved TAC) and will start Improved Strat in a few days, even though I still have a couple of '39 air doctrines to research. Time is running short. Nuclear and Rocket techs have been skipped for the moment, I should have time to come back to them in late 1940 after I am through the research bottleneck. France is working on three 1940 techs (Assembly Line Exp, Advanced Computers and Deep Logistics) and has already saved me years of research.

I will probably cancel my TAC and Strat builds as soon as the current units are built so there will be some IC to upgrade, so I should start the war with 14 Strat/ESC and 12 TAC/ESC. The Bombers will all be upgraded to 1940 techs, not so sure about the Escort Fighters. I will probably continue my FTR build until I reach 10 units and I hope to get all of them upgraded as well before the balloon goes up. I also will have all 1939 Doctrines researched and hope to have both '40 Doctrines as well.

Still cranking out 1x CL & TP and 2x DD & CVL, everything but the Escort Carriers have long maxed their gearing bonus. I have two Carrier Task Groups with 3CV/1BC & 5 screens, four SAGs with 3BB/1CVL & 5 screens, and am organizing four more SAGs with my old cruisers which should have 3CA/1CVL and 5 screens. My CV and BB TGs will all have level IV screens but I think the CA groups will still have a lot of level II & III for a while yet, though they will have CVL-IIs. Half the TGs will be under VAdm half under Adm so I can pair them up. My transports are in groups of nine so I can attach them to any nine ship TG under a full Admiral and off they go. My two Old Guard Grand Admirals will cruise around in three unit fleets so I can group them with three TGs in the same sea zone and they will round our a 30 unit fleet. I may be a Naval Doctrine or two short by September but one of them is for subs which I won't need until Italy jumps into the war.

Finished upgrading all divisions and brigades right around the time of Munich so I was able to start a string of '39 Armour and a double build of '39 Infantry. I will probably stop my string of Marines at nine divisions and hope to have them upgraded to 1940 tech by next Feb. Still have a string of '38 ART going and that is the only brigade I plan to develop except Armoured Cars, though I am keeping my existing ENG and AT brigades for a while. I hope to have 9 MAR, 6 ARM (all brigaded) and 40+ INF (1/3 to 1/2 brigaded) by the time Fall Gelb kicks off.

Have killed everybody's spies, including an apparently dangerous Canadian ring that was conspiring to serve Moosehead in decent English pubs. Getting spies into Germany has been a bitch though, I'm at 7 or 8 after who knows how many tries. Not sure what I'll do with them, debating on either Smear Campaigns, Funding Partisans in Poland, or Global Manipulation (Maybe the US will be a bit mor generous with the supply trades after a gearing bonus or two).

My goal will still be to prevent the fall of France, and emu's trick with using Logistics Strike to slow down and weaken advancing divisions convinces me more than ever that Germany can be defeated by the European Allies.