Are Revolters Cheated of National Ideas

[unmerged(26764)]

I'm curious about how national ideas are going to be handled for revolters. Most nations have the entire game to earn monarch points they can invest into their national ideas. Yet if a revolter pops in 1700, they have no chance to earn enough points to get through even a few ideas. This seems a huge disadvantage -- particularly for colonial revolters, which always arrive late in the game.

The only reasonable solutions seems to be if they would start with ideas pre-selected and earned up to their current tech level. Which seems fair. Or do they just get cheated?

 

[Attalus]

I was asking myself the same question

 

[Tom013]

The only reasonable solutions seems to be if they would start with ideas pre-selected and earned up to their current tech level. Which seems fair. Or do they just get cheated?

Another possible solution would be that they "inherit" national ideas of their parent nation.

 

[Vishaing]

I'm imagining that Revolting Nations will take advantage of the same system that assigns National Ideas to nations on start dates after 1444, so they will start with some NI tracks already selected and some ideas filled out. Ideally, I would want Revolters to mix and match their historical Ideas with those of the country they are revolting from, especially in the case of Culturally grouped Revolters like Colonial Revolters.

 

[Hootieleece]

Probably will have to pause. Save Game. Reload as that country select Ideas. Save/Reload. OR Console/Tag Switch like in EU3. After an AI Tag switch. Also had to select troop types for them otherwise they would lose even faster because of using Latin Medieval Infantry against Line or Redcoats.

And that will ruin an ironman mode game......and kill chances for Achievements will piss off a lot of players.

Hopefully these Rebels with a Cause have been thought thru to logical conclusion. Random National Ideas upon Victory/Tag switch.

 

[GameGabster]

This is something I really want Paradox to answer before release.

 

[Red_warning]

Best way to solve it would be to hand out an amount of ideas average to their tech group upon their founding.

 

[unmerged(1823)]

They copy the nation they get released from.

 

[shakeled1]

Does that still apply if a nation exists at one point in the game, is annexed, and then re-relased (for instance Austria annexes Venice but france forces them to release Venice in a treaty later on)?

 

[Inkshootr]

They copy the nation they get released from.

Well, that answers that!

So I'm assuming Mexico will get Spanish ideas, and so on?

 

[unmerged(26764)]

They copy the nation they get released from.

Thanks Johan for the answer. Sounds like a perfect solution.

 

[Te. Kenzo]

Even if is not very linked to the topic, I think that could be a cool a group of national generic ideas shared by revolting colonies of americas, like the berber, the indian sultanates and so on. This could be useful to avoid the problem to give a series of national ideas to United States, without the risk of not matching with things like the culture and the history of the USA appeared in a gran campaign.

 

[Dutchling]

Even if is not very linked to the topic, I think that could be a cool a group of national generic ideas shared by revolting colonies of americas, like the berber, the indian sultanates and so on. This could be useful to avoid the problem to give a series of national ideas to United States, without the risk of not matching with things like the culture and the history of the USA appeared in a gran campaign.

Wait, what exactly do you mean? There are no Berber nations or Indian sultanates in the Americas?

 

[Saulot]

Wait, what exactly do you mean? There are no Berber nations or Indian sultanates in the Americas?

He meant that just as there are idea groups for Berber nations and Indian sultanates, an idea group could be used for American colonial revolters.

 

[Tufto]

Even if is not very linked to the topic, I think that could be a cool a group of national generic ideas shared by revolting colonies of americas, like the berber, the indian sultanates and so on. This could be useful to avoid the problem to give a series of national ideas to United States, without the risk of not matching with things like the culture and the history of the USA appeared in a gran campaign.

The only time this will ever happen is if those nations are player-controlled.

 

[Dutchling]

He meant that just as there are idea groups for Berber nations and Indian sultanates, an idea group could be used for American colonial revolters.

Ah. I would suggest four of those groups: Revolting from the British culture group, the French culture group, Iberian culture group, and others.

 

[Te. Kenzo]

Wait, what exactly do you mean? There are no Berber nations or Indian sultanates in the Americas?

What I said, explained:

1. There are group of nations that are sharing an unique set of ideas common for them, for example Berber, Hordes and Indian Sultanates.
2. Could be cool create a similar set of shared ideas for another group: American Colonies, instead to have a generic thing.

Ah. I would suggest four of those groups: Revolting from the British culture group, the French culture group, Iberian culture group, and others.

I agree without that this is a thing that should be considered, becouse of course the Anglo-Saxon colonies had important difference beetween the latin ones.

 

[Lauri]

So I'm assuming Mexico will get Spanish ideas, and so on?

Not if my Norwegian Colonial Empire has anything to say!

err, I mean.. I would never have rebellions.