Are prince-bishops overpowered?

[maxirage]

Assuming you have free investiture, they are by far the best vassal type. Their income level is higher than mayors outside of sea provinces, they almost never rebel, they give you piety when you appoint them, and most importantly, you have absolute control of their culture and opinion. That means that for different cultured conquered territory they are the only logical choice.

It just feels weird to have a massive empire ruled entirely by bishops. I don't think this is historically accurate, since I don't believe any prince-bishops exist at game start.

 

[qbln]

check this post.

 

[Malibu Stacey]

It just feels weird to have a massive empire ruled entirely by bishops. I don't think this is historically accurate, since I don't believe any prince-bishops exist at game start.

It is awfully 'gamey' to have all the vassals in your empire as prince-bishoprics but I would expect it to get balanced in a future patch now that people have discovered how easily exploitable it is.

AFAIK the county of Durham (north-east of England) is a Prince-Bishopric at the start & I'm sure I've seen some more dotted around the place. They are few and far between though.

 

[Gqarz]

Your troop quality will suffer as will your tech development (unless you buy the schools for them). I agree prince-bishops are great, but I stick with the usual feudal vassals.(mostly) There are enough ways to keep them in line that the game remains playable even with a bad ruler.

 

[Cymsdale]

As an orthodox ruler, I love them, because I don't have to compete for their affections with the pope. I pretty much hand out all "non-core" territory to bishops, and I don't have to worry as much about uprisings, especially since my characters tend to have a lot of church-friendly traits.

 

[brucepm]

I recognize their power, so I avoid using them as a staple. Instead, I grant prince-archbishoprics only to really important bishops-- on my Byzantine playthrough, this meant that the Pentarchs were all prince-archbishops (except Rome). On my Scotland-Britannia playthrough, only the Duchy of Kent is a prince-archbishopric so far-- it belongs to the Archbishop of Canterbury, and I am strongly considering making him an antipope so as to recreate the Church of England.

 

[Malibu Stacey]

On my Scotland-Britannia playthrough, only the Duchy of Kent is a prince-archbishopric so far-- it belongs to the Archbishop of Canterbury, and I am strongly considering making him an antipope so as to recreate the Church of England.

That would be pretty cool but you're a few centuries early

 

[brucepm]

Shh. They won't know if you don't tell them!

 

[Talq]

At some point, Paradox is going to have to bite the bullet and fix taxation. Getting no almost revenue outside of your demense unless you use cities or bishoprics is actually a bit ludicrous.

 

[Hackworthy]

Ah, I just discovered something that makes imperial management a little easier. Must be time for people to whine about it on the forums so it gets ruined.

 

[Malibu Stacey]

Ah, I just discovered an exploit that makes the whole game a lot easier. Must be time for people to discuss it on the forums so it gets fixed/balanced.

Fixed that for you.

 

[panda_Express12]

I only occasionally give a bishop a duke title when a previous duke rebels. I think having too many makes the game really easy and boring to me.

 

[Mutineer]

to be true, they do have drow backs.

they send small levies with getting worce with time.
They seems to not send levies if war again religion brothers. (I migth be mistaken, but that is my impression. My king-bishop of scots do now have button green.)
they could not be included in breeding program for realm.


My king-bishop win succession war when been bishop in England(not my realm). I did not create him. lol

 

[unmerged(461810)]

Newbie question (only 280 hours ) , how do you create a prince bishop or doge from a normal country

 

[Yenzen]

Newbie question (only 280 hours ) , how do you create a prince bishop or doge from a normal country

You give the county/ducal title there to an existing mayor or bishop (preferably living in that same county)

 

[Hackworthy]

I'm a douche who likes to put words in people's mouths.

Fixed that for you.

 

[unmerged(461810)]

You give the county/ducal title there to an existing mayor or bishop (preferably living in that same county)

Thank you!

 

[Sqwerlpunk]

PB's are not "overpowered". They are very useful in many situations, however (and you could make strong arguments that Church Opinion should be easier to take hits to).

You're basically trading military (Feudal Vassals) and economic (Republic Vassals) power for stability (including the possibility to make succession much, much cleaner or advantageous, especially with Free Investiture).