Are Ottomans more OP than usual this patch?

[EarlKonrad]

IMO they have become weaker over the past few patches. Mamluks seems to be stronger this patch and Austria is gets their PU's a lot more often, with the attitude changing when they have a subjugate PU(which was an amazingly good change).

Ottomans have gone downhill ever since CoC when the Devs buffed Mamluks into the stratosphere and game the Ottomans close to nothing in return.

More recently there have been multiple buffs to Poland, Hungary and Austria as well which indirectly nerds the Ottos. And they also got hit pretty hard with the new Merc system.

 

[MachopPower69]

In my current game the Ottomans have only managed to unite anatolia (i have had no interaction with them); they did not declare war on byz until around 1550 and only peaced out for money. Did not manage to annex Byz till 1570.

"They did not declare war on Byzn until around 1550"

Either you have a unicorn game or Byzantium was incredibly lucky.

 

[raikaria]

Its amazing that people still say Ottomans are not overpowered.
Either they want them to never be nerfed as they should be, or to trick the devs into making them so strong they're utterly impossible to beat.

And at the same time you have the people crying the Ottomans are 'overpowered' and won't be happy until Byzantium [Specifically them] can DoW them solo in December 11 1444 and win with no effort.

The Ottomans are strong because they were historically strong.

 

[Livigy]

In my most current game Ottomans stagnated. They didn't get completely eaten however as I was protecting them indirectly with defender of the faith as I am Sunni Mughals so the Catholics avoided them. But Mamluks mostly avoided them as well and only took some coastline in the south of Anatolia. Tbh all of Europe looks like there is no major powers as the alliance web means no one is moving against anyone. There is no Russia, PLC, Super HRE, Spain, Netherlands, UK etc. It is a very bizarre Europe for 1641. I personally had nothing to do with it as I was busy elsewhere as well. I blame it all on Castile getting the England PU and not Aragon.

Spoiler: pics

I was very busy elsewhere

 

[moscal]

And at the same time you have the people crying the Ottomans are 'overpowered' and won't be happy until Byzantium [Specifically them] can DoW them solo in December 11 1444 and win with no effort.

The Ottomans are strong because they were historically strong.

Not only.

Here they are strong, because EU4 havent good antisnowball, antiblob, internal and other mechanics. Ergo AI Turks are, for AI, unstopable. No coalitions, no internal problem, no collapse of middleeast trade etc.

 

[Orkonkel]

I think the Ottomans/Near East are almost as much in need of polishing as Scandinavia. The mission bloat/powercreep plus added dev to HRE means the Ottomans are more reluctant to conquer into Hungary or try to siege Vienna, instead spilling into Lithuania/Golden Horde territory. Sometimes they just never go to war with the Mamluks, or ally QQ forever so they can't conquer eastern Anatolia.

Ottomans used to be a whole lot of fun to play and they used to be a formidable opponent in the midgame, but they kinda fell behind when most other nations around them got more dev/mechanics/missions (afaik Ottomans have zero 'Until End of Game' modifiers in their mission trees, while some Italian/German countries get like 3-4 depending on the formables path they choose).

Ofc, they are still in a good enough position that they do good enough a reasonable amount of times, and they very, very rarely collapse into extinction without player intervention. I just wish they had a bit more weight to throw around tbh.

 

[Vin55]

QQ needs to be a historic rival or the ai should at least not ally him if is controlled by ai. QQ should get cores on Quara and vise versa, with QQ getting a buff to achieve the historic outcome, or something in that way. The mamelucks are ok right now it is just the ottoman ai being very weak because of wasting loads of money into galleys and building heavies. Plus it is expanding to much into worthless land. But since the patch at least the bad rulers are gone so it should do better in my 3 games since it did better twice and the one it did not he was massive but I was the HRE ^^.

 

[nobodyinparticular]

In my recent games, Ottomans got regularly crushed by Austria-Hungary or multiple punitiv wars at the same time. Its probably as allways: Unless something goes terribly wrong, they will successfully consolidate in a prime position with three monuments ontop.

How do the Ottomans get into punitive wars? They can eat up half of Poland and not get a coalition because they have severely reduced AE as a lucky nation.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

Ottomans used to be stronger than they are now. They were not impossible to beat then, and they are not impossible to beat now.

Ah yes, the old days of EU 4 where Ghazi meant triple manpower recovery while fighting heathens and the Ottomans were actually a top 5 WC candidate.

Still a strong nation now of course.

 

[bennori]

How do the Ottomans get into punitive wars? They can eat up half of Poland and not get a coalition because they have severely reduced AE as a lucky nation.

I dont know if it was some AE-bug or something, but in my recent Kazan, or was it Russia?, game where i did not interfere with Ottomans, they managed to get half the balkans, all of italy and south germany into three seperate simultaneous punitive wars by 1540 or so. Which made me interfere then, too...

 

[Ninaran]

The forum is returning to its usual threads. Nature is healing.