Are NAPs with vassals any good?

[Tirion1987]

Last I checked, unlike in vanilla, a vassal with a NAP can freely start or join any factions, including the conspiratorial ones such as independence, install claimant, increase council power and lower crown authority. However, his liege still can't revoke his titles because NAP. Is this intentional?

 

[Rylock]

Last I checked, unlike in vanilla, a vassal with a NAP can freely start or join any factions, including the conspiratorial ones such as independence, install claimant, increase council power and lower crown authority. However, his liege still can't revoke his titles because NAP. Is this intentional?

A vassal who has a NAP with their liege should only be able to join one of the 4i factions.

If you're experiencing otherwise, I'd suggest reporting it as an actual bug.

 

[Creeper_Phil]

If you are the Nomadic or Tribal government, vassals can enter factions no matter what. If you're Feudal, Merchant Republic or the new Imperial government, then it's a bug.

 

[Rylock]

If you are the Nomadic or Tribal government, vassals can enter factions no matter what. If you're Feudal, Merchant Republic or the new Imperial government, then it's a bug.

Umm, no. The government type has nothing to do with it.

 

[Creeper_Phil]

Umm, no. The government type has nothing to do with it.

You're right on this one, but your previous comment was wrong. I checked the changelog for EMF here and it says:

• EMF 5.02
  • Changes
    • Non-aggression pacts between vassal and liege no longer prevent those vassals from joining factions

It's not tied to Government type, it's not a bug, it's a feature.

 

[Rylock]

You're right on this one, but your previous comment was wrong. I checked the changelog for EMF here and it says:

• EMF 5.02
  • Changes
    • Non-aggression pacts between vassal and liege no longer prevent those vassals from joining factions

It's not tied to Government type, it's not a bug, it's a feature.

And I just realized I'm looking at the Beta code.

So, in other words: currently you are correct. In the next version (and the current beta), that is not the case and NAP's prevent a vassal from joining all non-4i factions.

 

[Creeper_Phil]

And I just realized I'm looking at the Beta code.

So, in other words: currently you are correct. In the next version (and the current beta), that is not the case and NAP's prevent a vassal from joining all non-4i factions.

Mystery solved!

 

[Tirion1987]

Umm, no. The government type has nothing to do with it.

Government type adds another layer of whackyness because betrothal between nomadic liege and vassals simply doesn't create a NAP.