Are interchanges going to stay as they are???

[The-Eradicator]

While I do think the game looks great, there is REALLY one thing i am worried about: interchanged

Are they really going to look like this?

I mean

1/ There are no exit/acceleration lanes
2/ The lines that defines the lanes disapear at the crossroads
3/ The whole interchanges thing looks really unrealistic

Is there any plans to work on this?

 

[Svip]

I don't see point 3, I don't see 2 as an issue and I agree that 1 would be nice to fix. Motorways have ramps. I am also tired of them calling it 'highways'. They are motorways or freeways. Highways are basically high speed country roads (just below motorways).

 

[CaffeinatedNoms]

In our colloquial usage, a highway is simply a public road as opposed to a byway which is a private road, so there you go

As for the OP's points, yeah the motorway access ramps really need acceleration lanes before they merge with the main motorway. As for the lines disappearing, I theorise this is simply because the textures used to paint road markings would overlap something terrible over intersections, like this:

Personally I'd rather blank intersections than mangled ones!

 

[co_martsu]

While I do think the game looks great, there is REALLY one thing i am worried about: interchanged

Are they really going to look like this?

I mean

1/ There are no exit/acceleration lanes
2/ The lines that defines the lanes disapear at the crossroads
3/ The whole interchanges thing looks really unrealistic

Is there any plans to work on this?

Yes, they are really going to stay like that (obvious bugs that might still appear will be fixed).

I don't see point 3, I don't see 2 as an issue and I agree that 1 would be nice to fix. Motorways have ramps. I am also tired of them calling it 'highways'. They are motorways or freeways. Highways are basically high speed country roads (just below motorways).

There you go, one more reason to use a native English speaking editor to check the English version of the game like stated in anther thread

Though technically the largest and fastest road option in Cities: Skylines is not a freeway/motorway because you can connect other road types directly to it if you wish.

 

[Svip]

There you go, one more reason to use a native English speaking editor to check the English version of the game like stated in anther thread

Though technically the largest and fastest road option in Cities: Skylines is not a freeway/motorway because you can connect other road types directly to it if you wish.

That is true. But motorways can be connected to any type of road in real life (yes, even gravel roads, I've seen it). It just doesn't happen often.

Will there be a Finnish version? So we can have the game in God's own language?

 

[co_martsu]

That is true. But motorways can be connected to any type of road in real life (yes, even gravel roads, I've seen it). It just doesn't happen often.

Will there be a Finnish version? So we can have the game in God's own language?

That's a very different definition of a motorway then, since I believe it is a road that does not have any crossings of any kind (at least here in Finland). Motorway is always connected to other roads at different level with an interchange. It can also end and turn into a smaller road.

Not sure which God you refer to, but it's up to Paradox which languages will be available

 

[SymphonyX4]

Yes, they are really going to stay like that.

 

[CaffeinatedNoms]

I think they might be referring to the on/off ramps. Every so often you might get an access track that joins a motorway that's nothing more than a gravel track...

 

[co_martsu]

I think they might be referring to the on/off ramps. Every so often you might get an access track that joins a motorway that's nothing more than a gravel track...

Oh I see what you mean then. Luckily the editor will tell us which term to use, since I can only be sure of the Finnish ones

 

[Svip]

Well, think of it is this way, Martsu; do you think highwaymen robbed cars on motorways?

Highways can be any type of country road. As you can tell, it's the most imprecise term in regards to roads. It can be gravel, paved, motorways, anything that isn't a waterway basically.

Wikipedia has a great article on motorways, or 'controlled-access highway' as they call it, which they claim are called 'moottoritie' in Finnish.

 

[WilfriedWebber]

Even English should be two different versions, namely UK and US English, as the Americans and Canadians have a lot of their own terms that aren't used in the rest of the English-speaking world.

Motorway/freeway is one example, pavement/sidewalk another. A primary school is named elementary school in North America; and the term 'high school' denotes an actual middle or secondary school. It could easily be confused with a higher education facility by some.

There is, for example, a UK English mod for SC4 which someone commented on, "Finally an English the English can understand".

Very true.

 

[co_martsu]

Well, think of it is this way, Martsu; do you think highwaymen robbed cars on motorways?

Highways can be any type of country road. As you can tell, it's the most imprecise term in regards to roads. It can be gravel, paved, motorways, anything that isn't a waterway basically.

Wikipedia has a great article on motorways, or 'controlled-access highway' as they call it, which they claim are called 'moottoritie' in Finnish.

Yes you are correct, the motorway is "moottoritie" in Finnish and as you are not able to connect another road directly to the "moottoritie" we are calling the biggest roads in the game highways. We also have the smaller version called "moottoriliikennetie" which is two-lane expressway in English I believe. However in the game the roads are divided to small and large roads and highways. We'll see if that will change in the editing

Even English should be two different versions, namely UK and US English, as the Americans and Canadians have a lot of their own terms that aren't used in the rest of the English-speaking world.

This is a very good point! I'll have to poke the publisher about this. I wonder if they have plans for both.

 

[Svip]

Yes you are correct, the motorway is "moottoritie" in Finnish and as you are not able to connect another road directly to the "moottoritie" we are calling the biggest roads in the game highways.

Except where motorways start/ends or special service roads near motorways.

We also have the smaller version called "moottoriliikennetie" which is two-lane expressway in English I believe. However in the game the roads are divided to small and large roads and highways. We'll see if that will change in the editing

Well, a dual carriageway usually refers to it being two-lane in each direction, but separated by a central barrier. The term "moottoriliikennetie" would more accurately be called a "limited-access road", as it does not have to have two lanes in each direction, like a motorway.

You may be familiar with this sign:

This is a limited-access road.

Again, I refer you to this wonderful article.

 

[nitram78]

We also have the smaller version called "moottoriliikennetie" which is two-lane expressway in English I believe.

In the UK, these are called "Dual Carriageway". Normally the same speed as a motorway (in the UK 70MPH). Normally they are classed as clear-ways (ie: no stopping directly in the lanes), however, they often have "lay-bys" where you can pull off for parking (lorry drivers used them a lot). "Dual Carriageways" also can have roads joining them directly, rather than as a Motorway, which normally only joined by a "Junction" (interchange).

 

[Grockefeller]

And what about 2x2 lanes or 2x4 lanes highway? This tool seems pretty restrictive comparing to the road tools of CIM2? I'd love to see your "basic" street which could be updated to a 2x2 major road. Despite those points, I think you made an amazing job so far in this game!

 

[The-Eradicator]

Yes, they are really going to stay like that (obvious bugs that might still appear will be fixed).



There you go, one more reason to use a native English speaking editor to check the English version of the game like stated in anther thread

Though technically the largest and fastest road option in Cities: Skylines is not a freeway/motorway because you can connect other road types directly to it if you wish.

This is quite disapointing to see that access ramps will remain the same : without acceleration or exit lanes... Will that change with a DLC, at least?

 

[Woody Red]

Would a DLC (or a mod, I guess) be possible that would allow for adding auxiliary lanes and more options for roads and motorways ?

I would really like acceleration/deceleration lanes, turning lanes - bus lanes, bicycle lanes, hard shoulders.. stuff like that.

 

[Junna]

There is some serious concerns here. I know too many seem to have excessively high hopes for the game at this stage, but some of these problems are such that they could easily be fixed if there was only a desire to do so.

What is completely absurd is that there, judging by that latest video from the day past, there are only three types of motorway; and there is only a single-lane slip/ramp. This is a serious step back from what we had at our disposal in CIM2, and all the more frustrating because CIM2's system was very functional and something that ought to have been retain insofar as this area is concerned (road flexibility). The lack of tunnels is also inexcusable.

We can see that there are only three lane motorway main-lanes, and only single-lane slip ramps. There appears to be no way of having a two-lane slip road, nor does there appear to be any way of having a two-laned motorway. We are stuck with these american monstrosities instead (they have hard shoulder on the interior as well as the exterior...). Now, I do understand that implementing an effective deceleration and acceleration field system for a functional dynamic traffic system is difficult, but this isn't, infact, this was done very well in CIM2, and the fact that so much of this has been entirely removed is disheartening to say the least. (There is in CIM2 a way to make, although not entirely pretty, a deceleration field by widening the road just prior to the slip road, this would not be possible to make here.)

Having a flexible (adjustable by a slider as in the CIM2 map editor) lane-count would also avoid the needless cluttered menus.

 

[WilfriedWebber]

In the UK, these are called "Dual Carriageway". Normally the same speed as a motorway (in the UK 70MPH). Normally they are classed as clear-ways (ie: no stopping directly in the lanes), however, they often have "lay-bys" where you can pull off for parking (lorry drivers used them a lot). "Dual Carriageways" also can have roads joining them directly, rather than as a Motorway, which normally only joined by a "Junction" (interchange).

What the guys were talking about, a two-lane, single-carriageway, motor road, does not exist as a concept in the UK.

In Europe, however, we have those everywhere where for some reason a proper motorway wouldn't fit. Still, those motor roads are often grade-separated, and generally built to high standards, without tight bends, but they are narrower than a dual-carriageway.

 

[CaffeinatedNoms]

Hang on. I've made something to help with the colloquial naming confusion (or at least, I hope it'll help).

This is what the typical road names mean here in the UK, along with a very badly made paint image to demonstrate.