Are Federations actually Confederations?

[Eldorian]

The extent we learn here in Australia is North fought South, North won. Plenty of other major and noteworthy wars between industrial powers occurred in the 19th century, and we covered them about as poorly. There wasn't really much exceptional about the US Civil War beyond its length, calling it the 'first industrial war' is a questionable claim I think largely due to the problem of at what point do you decide that the two sides are 'industrialised' enough and that the war is 'advanced enough' to count; it's simply arbitrary. The Crimean War for example used most of the technologies that the US Civil War did, various campaigns of the Napoleonic Wars was against sides that had industrialised, wars just after the US Civil War used more technologies and tactics. The I think the process of industrialisation and industrialised war is fluid enough that you either just need to count if the belligerents were industrialised, or go to the point where warfare itself became industrialised. I doubt that any of the military leaders in the rest of the world would have given it any particular special treatment in terms of researching how the war was conducted as well.

The Crimean war wasn't as big, the ships were wooden, and they didn't have automatic weapons. Still, I take your point, though the American Civil War was the forerunner to how the first World War was fought. It was also very influential in how the Japanese war machine industrialized.

 

[cole98]

Actually, the Canadian system, which was designed in the wake of the civil war favoured a strong centralised federation, with authority resting in the Prime Minister (which is why Canada has one of the most powerful executives in the world.) The Canadian Confederation is "misnamed" if you dogmatically and rigidly stick to definitions.

Thanks for the mini civics lesson, that's interesting how ambiguous the terms are.

 

[Jarac Rassen]

Personally I am keen for a DLC that makes multi-state-organisations complicated.

I would like to see all kinds of options to have strong vs. weak centralisation and equal vs. unfair rights so that you can do anything from a common customs union to the Radch (from the Ancillary books by Anne Leckie: a bit like a weird Roman Empire in Space if you don't know it - I recommend the books!).

Multi-state-organisation management seems likes another potentially fun late-game activity (pushing absolutism or protecting federalism) in between dealing with Crises. It might even create the scope for Constitutional Crises!

I AM THE SENATE!

I would love to play that role.

 

[Njordin]

Confederation!

 

[Brownbeard]

IMO, seems closer to European Union rather than federation or confederation.

Poland can into space!

 

[Khunter]

Oh look, another thread full of people who didn't take "Arguments on the Internet 101".

It's an easy course that simplifies all internet fights into 2 rules.

1. Everyone in the argument is an idiot.

2. No one ever wins the argument.

Get over your semantics, its called a Federation whether you like it or not.

 

[Trithemius]

Oh look, another thread full of people who didn't take "Arguments on the Internet 101".

It's an easy course that simplifies all internet fights into 2 rules.

1. Everyone in the argument is an idiot.

2. No one ever wins the argument.

Get over your semantics, its called a Federation whether you like it or not.

Everytime someone says some syntactic variation on "it is just semantics" I laugh.

Also wow, super mean. Did you expect something different from a thread that is basically called "[term] vs [proximate term]"?

 

[GothicEmperor]

The name's meant to be evocative, not descriptive. You know, because Star Trek.

 

[Stormcow]

More that the American Civil War is so widely known in the English speaking world, and that they are normally viewed negatively

i claim to be a well educated person and i am from England. Im afraid have no idea about the history of the USA or any real clue what your civil war was about. it does not interest me in the same way that the thousands of other civil wars around the world don't interest me because im not from there. In fact when you say confederacy i leap to the brown coats from the confederacy of independent planets in firefly (probably bases on your civil war?)

So i hope its not a political Correctness thing because what could you possibly have against Joss Whedon