Crossings right now are a huge factor in battles yet they are an almost complete mystery. No one has any idea where they are or anything. I seriously hope something is done about them because it's infuriating.
Are crossings going to be fixed in Art of War?
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Looks like there's a river crossing icon on province view now, which I'm very happy about.
Yeah, been playing CK2 recently and noticed this has it. When you hover over it, it tells you which neighboring province this affects. EU:IV needs this to make battles more tactical.
Well I always guess where "crossing" will affect me. Usually when province has a lot of river marks (on map) it has also -1 from crossing Also province wallpaper (?!)- this picture plains/desert/jungle/mountains/etc. is helpfull. Its far from perfect but "its something".
Let's hope they also fix the little penalty indicator for an attacking army in an ongoing battle on the map. Currently, it only shows -1 for river crossings ("Crossing -1") but then not the penalties for terrain. This is crucial in deciding whether re-inforcing an ally's army is a good idea. For an example see spoiler below.
Skip to ~23min30sec in the following video:
[video=youtube;2AN4dkspBFY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AN4dkspBFY[/video]
[video=youtube;2AN4dkspBFY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AN4dkspBFY[/video]
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If the graphical movement arrow crosses a graphical river, there will be a crossing penalty.
Alencon -> Paris: No crossing.
Any other prov -> Paris: Crossing.
Alencon -> Paris: No crossing.
Any other prov -> Paris: Crossing.
That is not true in 1.7. We'll see if it is in 1.8.
Not only is it possible to get a river crossing with no graphic crossing the river, it is also possible (albeit very rare) for the arrow to cross a river and not draw a crossing penalty.
Example? Not doubting you (obviously, graphical inspection isn't going to be completely accurate), but that rule holds up well in Europe.
It's hard to name the provinces off the top of my head. I have seen it in India (I move from a province with no river into a province with a river on the opposite side of the enemy --> crossing), somewhere near Vijay's capitol but I forget which province specifically. Wolof --> Cayor isn't a crossing. In previous patches I have attacked across a river in Europe fully expecting a penalty and got none in France, assuming that was due to a huge maneuver advantage but not certain. It was noteworthy because I had taken a crossing penalty with the exact same movement previously, but 1.7 changed the rules of terrain choice in general so I'm not sure exactly how it works this patch.
Just assume that there will always be river crossing, even if thats completely unrealistic, there seem to be river crossing almost everywhere.
Do you mean that you do get a river crossing there? The movement arrow for Cayor <-> Wolof doesn't cross a river.
This is probably not much worse than inspecting movement arrows, there are rivers basically everywhere.
It's asinine too. Considering the relative frequency which rivers had significant impact on battles in this time period, the amount we see them in-game is crazy. It's way to easy to camp provinces for -2 or even -3 for the attacker. With 1.7 making forest draws more common even those can be really nasty when stacked with river crossing. I've been hit with -2 in northern Siberia pretty often.
It would have been far more plausible to give river % a low modifier.
If I remember, I'll give proper examples when I'm home to test it.
ReeeeeaaaaalllllyyyyyY? Nice!
Just... How does it work? If province X has the river crossing icon means that ANY army attacking it will suffer the penalty?
I would speculate that it's just an icon with a tooltip naming which provinces will cause crossing penalties
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I always thought crossings in EU4 were completely different to CK2; a property of the province, rather than between provinces. (thus you stood the same chance of encountering a crossing regardless of which direction you approached from)
