Are all events popups, or can events be silent / spam free?

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I have a lot of events I mod in the game and they are stacking up and sometimes I really don't have anything meaningful to say.

All the events I'm using right now are character_event's.

I know how to hide a tooltip, but I want to do that to the whole event, for it to fire, do its thing, don't notify the player.

If player must be notified, then at least I'd like to limit it to just one of those top-right corner notifications that don't stop the game.

Any help is much appreciated!

 

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In the mean time I'm going to try to find a way to fire an event off on a player character without having the player notified.

Maybe something like:

# test
character_event = {
	id = 987011
	desc = "HOKIDESC0021"
	picture = GFX_evt_emissary
	
	is_triggered_only = yes
	
	trigger = {
		#actual conditions here,
		#condition
		#condition
		#followed by filtering out the players, but targetting their spouse
		OR = {
			ai = yes
			spouse = { 
				AND = {
					ai = no
					#annoying duplication of conditions just for targeting the player
					#condition
					#condition
				}
			}
		}
	}
	
	mean_time_to_happen = {
		days = 1000
	}
	
	option = {
		name = "HOKIDESC0022"
		
		if = {
			limit = {
				AND = {
					ai = yes
					spouse = { ai = no }
				}
			}
		
			spouse = {
				#do silent player related modifications and other things
			}
		}
		
		if = {
			limit = {
				AND = {
					ai = yes
					NOT = { spouse = { ai = no } }
				}
			}

			#do the same thing but to non-player characters
		}
	}
}

Ok I just tested this method out and it works. (added a test trait to my character if he didn't have it already)
Though it still has the problem where your trigger conditions are duplicated for the player's spouse, and ditto for targetting based on the player's spouse instead of the player character itself, and it relies on you having a spouse, or some other obvious one-to-one relationship to the player.
Perhaps you could use the player character's mother, even if shes dead. I'll have to try that out.

But its still annoying. If anyon knows how to do a silent event by default please reply.

 

[Wizzington]

I've been poking around for a way to do this too. Best solution I've found is to just fire it for an AI vassal/courtier and target ai = no liege.

 

[ash001]

Hi Wiz,
could you elaborate on this?
I'm trying to understand how this would work...

Thanks in advance!

 

[Meneth]

Hi Wiz,
could you elaborate on this?
I'm trying to understand how this would work...

Thanks in advance!

As a condition you'd do something like this:

trigger = {
[INDENT]AND = {
[/INDENT]
[INDENT=2]ai = yes
liege = {[/INDENT]
[INDENT=3]ai = no[/INDENT]
[INDENT=2]}
# Any other relevant conditions[/INDENT]
[INDENT]}[/INDENT]
}
option = {
[INDENT]if = {[/INDENT]
[INDENT=2]limit = {[/INDENT]
[INDENT=3]AND = {[/INDENT]
[INDENT=4]ai = yes
liege = {[/INDENT]
[INDENT=5]ai = no[/INDENT]
[INDENT=4]}[/INDENT]
[INDENT=3]}[/INDENT]
[INDENT=2]}
liege = {[/INDENT]
[INDENT=3]#apply whatever you want to happen[/INDENT]
[INDENT=2]}[/INDENT]
[INDENT]}[/INDENT]
}

The advantage over your method is that this works even if the player has no spouse.

 

[Jaol]

I've been poking around for a way to do this too. Best solution I've found is to just fire it for an AI vassal/courtier and target ai = no liege.

That is the method I've used too. For global events I've used the Pope.

 

[ash001]

Much appreciated, Meneth!

And good tip, Jaol.

 

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As a condition you'd do something like this:

trigger = {
[INDENT]AND = {
[/INDENT]
[INDENT=2]ai = yes
liege = {[/INDENT]
[INDENT=3]ai = no[/INDENT]
[INDENT=2]}
# Any other relevant conditions[/INDENT]
[INDENT]}[/INDENT]
}
option = {
[INDENT]if = {[/INDENT]
[INDENT=2]limit = {[/INDENT]
[INDENT=3]AND = {[/INDENT]
[INDENT=4]ai = yes
liege = {[/INDENT]
[INDENT=5]ai = no[/INDENT]
[INDENT=4]}[/INDENT]
[INDENT=3]}[/INDENT]
[INDENT=2]}
liege = {[/INDENT]
[INDENT=3]#apply whatever you want to happen[/INDENT]
[INDENT=2]}[/INDENT]
[INDENT]}[/INDENT]
}

The advantage over your method is that this works even if the player has no spouse.

With this are there issues with multiple event actions?
That is, for each vassal of the player, would this execute an action on the player that many times?

 

[Wizzington]

That is the method I've used too. For global events I've used the Pope.

Yeah, I use the Pope for global events as well.

 

[Wizzington]

With this are there issues with multiple event actions?
That is, for each vassal of the player, would this execute an action on the player that many times?

Use flags to ensure it only fires once (or however often you want it to fire).

 

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NOt sure how to use flags. If they are inferred like javascript, undeclaredVariable = 1, would they be scoped to the event, or would they be global scope?

Lets say you only want to do something to the player character once per event but the event can happen to it many times.

 

[Meneth]

NOt sure how to use flags. If they are inferred like javascript, undeclaredVariable = 1, would they be scoped to the event, or would they be global scope?

Lets say you only want to do something to the player character once per event but the event can happen to it many times.

Flags can apply to various different things. In this case you'd usually want is a character-flag. The relevant commands/conditions are:
set_character_flag, clr_character_flag, has_character_flag, had_character_flag

 

[Wizzington]

There are also global flags if you want a thing to only fire once in the game, instead of for each ruler.

For instance:

trigger = {
NOT = { has_global_flag = fire_once }
}

option = {
set_global_flag = fire_once
}

An event setup like that will only fire once in any single game.

 

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Yes but what about flags for an event scope? Character flags and global flags don't cut it for that. Unless you rig some flag removal event.

Also I'm wondering can you change the scope of the target so that you don't need to duplicate actions for players and ai?

 

[Wizzington]

I'm really not following what you mean. You can set global flags inside any scope, and you can set character flags like:

liege = { set_character_flag = i_am_the_player }

 

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The idea to use a vassal to target the player through liege = { ai = no }, theoretically this would fire for every vassal.
How does a character flag help to prevent this per event, instead of one per character?
Adding a character flag adds the flag until you remove it. What if you only want to have a local flag, or a flag applied for only the duration of the event?

 

[Wizzington]

Set the flag on the ruler, check the flag on the ruler. You can clear a flag at the end of an event. I really don't understand what you think the limitation is, but trust me it's not there.

 

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How do you remove it at the end of an event? Does the event not fire for each character separately? As in, its a completely synchronous loop and it fires for everyone it effects at the same time, then moving down the code synchronously where you remove the flag?

trigger = {
			ai = yes
			liege = { ai = no }
	}
	
	mean_time_to_happen = {
		days = 1000
	}
	
	option = {
		name = "HOKIDESC0022"
		
		if = {
			limit = {
				AND = {
					ai = yes
					liege= { ai = no NOT = { has_character_flag = player_processed_for_this_event } }
				}
			}
		
			liege = {
				#do silent player related modifications and other things
                                set_character_flag = player_processed_for_this_event
			}
		}
		
		if = {
			limit = {
				AND = {
					ai = yes
					liege= { ai = no has_character_flag = player_processed_for_this_event }
				}
			}
		
			liege = {
                                clr_character_flag = player_processed_for_this_event
			}
		}
	}
}

This is guaranteed to fire once for the player no matter how many vassals it has?

 

[Wizzington]

Events fire randomly... the event engine is on a single thread and will only fire for one character at a time.

 

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Ohhh.. so this won't work.