ARCHIVE - GRAND LEDGER (24-08-03 to 12-11-04)

[Bagricula]

I think it should be mentioned that a feudal oath of vassalhood, while ideally in exchange for military protection like an alliance, in practice the benevolence of the overlord towards the vassal varies from person to person. Notably, the Republic of Tuscany had vassalized the Duchy of Athens which had in turn vassalized the Roman Empire(Oh, how far have we fallen!) and when the Republic of Genoa declared war on the Roman Empire, the Republic of Tuscany brought suit against them in the Imperial Courts(of the Holy Roman Empire) but did not act militarily to defend their vassal's vassal. Another example is the Duchy of Normandie, which was once ruled by Richard of York who was once with English back claiming the Crown of France; however, when Emperor Erich I threatened to come to the defense of the Valois French, England decided to cut her losses and absorbed Normandie into the Crown lands.

Addendum: It should be noted that the reason that the Tuscans could bring suit against the Genoese was because both were vassals of HM Emperor Erich I of Humanity. There are numerous other interesting examples of the tribulations and benefits of vassalship throughout the game.

 

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Hello friends this thingy here looks a like-a fun. May I claim "leadershiP" over Poland? I see tht it is currently NPC. So I'm wondering if I cna join in on the fun?

 

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Hold on, sorry I didn't presented this earlier, but here it is:

This is the Caspian Mameluke and Uzbek Trade pact.

I confirm the above treaty. It was negotiated weeks ago so I thought it was already taken care of, but if it was missed, here we go then...

 

[Hamilcar]

I'm stuck, flight delayed etc. I don't know when I'll be able to get back online again, but hopefully by Christmas I'll be back.

 

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I confirm the above treaty. It was negotiated weeks ago so I thought it was already taken care of, but if it was missed, here we go then...

I have added this treaty into the record. I shall also place it into the Trade Effects. I would like to point these gentlemen and EVERYONE else if they can see this post if they haven't already.

Guessing who are the two signers and who is left to sign is not that much fun. Don't want to be a stikler but I don't think it is too much to ask for the initial poster to list who should confirm. Thanks gents keep the treaties coming

 

[Bagricula]

Pfalz goes with, "We have trader that far away?" in "The Danube Syndicate ends the Embargo."

Pfalz lifts any embargoes it may have had against Genoa or Moldava.

 

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Pact of Italian Brothership​

Introduction – The Duchy of Piedmonte and the Republic of Venezia, upon realizing the pitiful state of affairs of Italia, now, in the year of Our Lord 1443, hereby decide to unite their forces in order to promote general political stability in the region, as well as to promote fidelity, trust and confidence among the states of the peninsula. As although the languages they speak are different, just like their culture and customs, the peoples living in Italia are indeed the descendants of common ancestors: descendants of the sons of Romulus and Remus. And hence they are brothers, and they must behave as such.


Article I – The nations that sign this pact shall never raise a state of hostilities against each other. The signing nations do hereby declare their firm belief that each and every disagreements must be resolved peacefully, via negotiations, without force used. In a case of a severe disagreement, when the war or other hostile actions seem inavoidable, the signing nations are strongly encouraged to ask for the mediation of the Duke of Piedmonte, the Doge of Venezia, or the Imperial Judge of Italia.

Article II – The nations that sign this pact shall for the time be willing to look favorably to the assistance of another nation in their times of need. This pact looks favorably towards cries for assistance when outsiders, or – horribile dictu – states of the peninsula, may risk the harmony of Italia. This article in no way construes a physical alliance, but gives the option in the case of need and necessity. Also in this spirit, no nation is allowed to speak or act in the name of other signing nations, unless she is authorized by them to do so.

Article III – Right of free passage shall be given through all nations that sign, to help bring down transportation fees, and to further facilitate the aid of a nation if it is needed.

Article IV – The nations that sign for the purpose of showing their friendship with all other nations within Italia.

Article V – The nations that join shall promise to aid in the protection of the Roman Catholic faith within Italia, and aid in its spreading whenever and wherever possible.

Article VI – Signing nations that are the parts of the Holy Roman Empire shall recognize the right of the other states to remain independent. Nevertheless, these independent states are encouraged to once again accept the protection of the Empire, as only the Emperor of the Romans is completely able to provide the stability Italia is aching for. Also, signing nations that are not the parts of the Holy Roman Empire shall recognize the right of the Emperor of the Romans to deal with his revolting vassals. Such rebellious elements, and also those states, against whom an Imperial war is declared, shall be expelled from this pact.

Article VII – Every states of Italia is welcome to sign this pact. However, these applicants shall be accepted by all other signing states.

Article VIII – The Duke of Piedmonte and the Doge of Venezia decide to found and endow the following institutes: an Academy of Arts in the Venetian city of Verona, and a Franciscan monastery in the Pennine Alpian region. States joining later are strongly encouraged to make similar endowments.

Appendix I​

– further agreements between Piedmonte and Venezia –​

Article I
– The Rebublic of Venezia recognizes the House di Savoia as the sole rightful and proper ruling house of the Duchy of Piedmont.
– The Duchy of Piedmont recognizes the legally elected Doges as sole rightful and proper rulers of Venezia.

Article II
– The Republic of Venezia recognizes the Dukes of Piedmont as the rightful heirs of the Iron Crown of the Lombards, and as legal protectors and overlords of Genoa (until 1449 or until an other time given by the Emperor of the Romans), and the Duchy of Modena and Ferrara (until 1445).
– The Duchy of Piedmonte recognizes the Republic of Venezia as the sole rightful owner of all territories she held in 1443, with the exception of Kerch, which is the legal property of Genoa, and shall be returned to that state in the year 1447. Piedmonte also recognizes Venezia as the rightful overlord of the Duchy of Macedonia and the Kingdom of Bulgaria.

Article III
– In the spirit of the Pact of Italian Brothership, the Republic of Venezia hereby promises to look favorably toward an agreement or act of cooperation with the Italian Trade Union.



[x] Antonio di Savoia, Duke of Piedmonte, Prince of Savoy, Protector of Liguria and Aemilia
[x] Francesco Foscari, Doge of Venezia, Duke of Dalmatia, Istria, Overlord of Bulgaria, Macedonia, Crete, Dobrudja, Kerch




I confirm, Ramius should do as well.

 

[AugCaesar]

Question Bz- Does Gelre's acceptance of the HR Emperors/Pommerns peace with Latvia make them at peace with Latvia...or do they have to negotiate a seperate white peace? It was not mentioned either way in the treaty - its rather important b/c its the difference between an econ or not for Gelre. Thank you

 

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I had posted an offer of white peace in Nat Stats some days ago along with this post in Gelre's court. I believe this is what Gelre was actually confirming, putting them at peace.

 

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I had posted an offer of white peace in Nat Stats some days ago along with this post in Gelre's court. I believe this is what Gelre was actually confirming, putting them at peace.

Thank you, Phantasm. This answers Augs question just nicely.

 

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Hello friends this thingy here looks a like-a fun. May I claim "leadershiP" over Poland? I see tht it is currently NPC. So I'm wondering if I cna join in on the fun?

Could I persuade you into a selecting a smaller nation. Normally, newcomers start with nations with 1-3 provinces, and as Eastern Europe is not currently underpopulated, I would ask you to do the same.

Kindly return to Nat.Stats. and select a smaller nation, then return here with your choice.

Thank you
/Bz

 

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Could I persuade you into a selecting a smaller nation. Normally, newcomers start with nations with 1-3 provinces, and as Eastern Europe is not currently underpopulated, I would ask you to do the same.

Kindly return to Nat.Stats. and select a smaller nation, then return here with your choice.

Thank you
/Bz

Alrighty, May I take Georgia? They are a smaller nation, and seem like a good place to start.

 

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Crimea loans 1 econ to Golden Horde (for the war effort).

 

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Alrighty, May I take Georgia? They are a smaller nation, and seem like a good place to start.

Indeed they are.
Georgia it is, then.

Please once again visit the National Statistics thread and make a post informing our resident Nat Stats man AugCaesar what your new realm is and also what name you have chosen for it's head of state. Now you're ready to post your stupendous court thread!

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Welcome to the game.

 

[AugCaesar]

I had posted an offer of white peace in Nat Stats some days ago along with this post in Gelre's court. I believe this is what Gelre was actually confirming, putting them at peace.

somehow I missed that. Thanks for the expedient response

 

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Pact of Italian Brothership​

[x] Antonio di Savoia, Duke of Piedmonte, Prince of Savoy, Protector of Liguria and Aemilia
[x] Francesco Foscari, Doge of Venezia, Duke of Dalmatia, Istria, Overlord of Bulgaria, Macedonia, Crete, Dobrudja, Kerch

I confirm, Ramius should do as well.

I confirm,

Mechanical effects: RoP to all signing nations.

Venice gives Piedmonte RoP, Piedmonte gives Venezia RoP.

SaT should confirm RoP for the record.

 

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I confirm,

Mechanical effects: RoP to all signing nations.

Venice gives Piedmonte RoP, Piedmonte gives Venezia RoP.

SaT should confirm RoP for the record.

I confirm: Piemonte grants RoP to Venice.

 

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HELLO

Okay, earlier for some reason I couldn't post here so I'll get to it now.

I have been given permission tto take over the realm of Georgia. Wich I do with pleasure. So I am the newest member of this RPG. Yee haw.

Alrighty

Realm Name : Georgia
HoS: Dmitri I, King of Georgia.


Alrighty thank you, and did I do this right? :wacko:

 

[cccino]

Just for the record, I probably won't be active for the next two weeks. Merry Christmas all!

 

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Thank you, Phantasm. This answers Augs question just nicely.

My pleasure. This should put Latvia completely at peace if i'm not mistaken. So I guess i'm ready for next assignment, boss.