- ARCHIVE - GRAND LEDGER (16-07-03 to 24-08-03)

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Treaties

The Kassa Pact

I. It is essential to note that the nations of Hungary and Genoa do have a responsibility to protect each other from harm.

II. That Hungary and Genoa will defend each other against their enemies by either a) declaration of war in support; or b) sufficient monies (in the form of interest-free loans) as to ensure the other nation is successful in their endeavours.

III. That this pact should not interfere with either nation's full and formal alliances, existing or future.

IV. That Hungary and Genoa retain the option to refrain from direct interference in the case where one nation has a pact of non-aggression with the other's enemy.

V. That Hungary and Genoa retain the option to enter a state of war as an ally against any enemy, offensive or defensive; but that in such case no separate peace is to be sought by the second party.

Hungary--Genoa Arms Agreement

In the Year of our Lord 1435, in the month of October, the nations of Hungary and Genoa do hereby enter into this contract.

SECTION I:

I. Genoa shall provide, at cost, stocks of weapons and military equipment (of only the highest quality) including spears, polearms, swords, shields, pavises, siege machines, crossbows, cannon and so forth.

II. Genoa shall provide personnel in the form of drill instructors and military strategists for the training of the King's army, and a division of mercenaries under Genoese pay to fight under the King's banner.

III. Genoa shall provide personnel in the form of drill instructors and military strategists for the training of the Knights of the realm and Baronial armies.

IV. Genoa shall provide to Hungary in times of war no less than 10 Commands of 100 troops to professionally lead the divisions of the General Levy.

(NB. all this in the form of at least 1 eco to be applied to no more than one event per contract period)

SECTION II:

I. In return, Hungary shall provide a payment of 1% of annual volume of extracted iron, coal, copper, lead from the King's mines. However, it is Genoa's responsibility to organise and pay for transport etc.

II. Guaranteed sales to Genoa of 35% of annual export of non-precious metals (including iron, coal, copper, lead) at prices negotiated six-monthly and fixed for the period.

III. Guaranteed sales to Genoa of 10% of annual export of all other raw materials (including timber and salt) at prices negotiated six-monthly and fixed for the period.

IV. Guaranteed sales to Genoa of 5% of annual export of all other goods (including cattle, foodstuffs, wine, worked/crafted and luxury items) at prices negotiated six-monthly and fixed for the period.

SECTION III:

I. 5% off standard foreign-merchant import and export duties for Genoan merchants inside the borders of Hungary. Likewise for Hungarian merchants in Genoan-controlled markets.

II. This is to be a 36 month contract, open to renewal or renegotiation at the end of September 1441.

EXTENSION:

I. Genoa shall increase its supply of weapons to Hungary by an additional 50%, to cover the remaining equipment not yet delivered by Venice.

II. Genoa having invested in the completion of the arsenal facilities near Kassa, is contracted to build a second arsenal at Visegrád near Buda.

III. Genoa shall be the only foreign nation permitted to import Silk into Hungary, to be enforced by excessive taxation.

IV. Hungary and Genoa grant each others armies military access in times of need.

V. Hungary and Genoa guarantee each other peace and non-aggression.

Molleby to confirm each of these individually, if he has no changes to make to the first and no problem with renewing the second.

 

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Molleby confirms both of them

 

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Originally posted by Doppelganger
The Ottoman Empire accepts the white peace [with Gelre]

...and that, as they say, is that. The Ottomans are now at total peace and are fully NPC ready for their next customer.

Many thanks to Doppelganger for helping out with this one - not the easiest role to sub, for sure.

Thanks bz,

JG

 

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Originally posted by N Katsyev
Definitely interested, i'll start on my court soon. Thanks so much.

OK, I'll send you the rest of the inscription drill via PM, in case you miss this post!

Shogun
Don't know if this is the right place.... but here goes nothing.



I am going to have to take a break from the game for the rest of month and possibly the first week of September.

OK, thanks for the notice. We'll archive your court for now and make Mainz NPC - chances are it'll still be available when you get back. Sorry we can't leave it up and running but 3 weeks(ish) is too long to leave a realm 'idling'.

See you then!

JG

 

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Hi, Bz,

Shogun 144
Don't know if this is the right place.... but here goes nothing.



I am going to have to take a break from the game [and Mainz] for the rest of month and possibly the first week of September.

That's a hell of a long time, so could you please chalk Mainz up as NPC for now Bz? The Court will go in the Vault, as per usual.

Cheers,

JG

 

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Well done to those of you who spotted the deliberate error. Just checking to see if you're still on your toes.

When I said 'Cologne' I, of course, meant 'Mainz'.

 

[N Katsyev]

Hey Bzali, i'm all set up as Pskov, court done to working order and all. My HoS is Grand Prince Yuri II Andreyevitch Polotovski.

 

[AugCaesar]

Could someone if they have the time please add that Aquitaine is a member of the Biscay trade pact...with a Trade Only - status- This status implies no bindings towards military nonagression and financial assistance.

 

[Longinus]

hmm I was wodering lately, regarding the changes in the rules concerning the gifts etc. is it still possible to sell provinces for eco? or this is also prohibited?

 

[N Katsyev]

What is the best way for to check what obligations (if any) i'm under from the the previous player of Pskov? Is it new dynasty, clean slate, or are there some lingering ends I need to get tied up? If so, what is the best way to find out what they are? Thanks.

 

[Longinus]

Originally posted by N Katsyev
What is the best way for to check what obligations (if any) i'm under from the the previous player of Pskov? Is it new dynasty, clean slate, or are there some lingering ends I need to get tied up? If so, what is the best way to find out what they are? Thanks.

I simply advise to read the courts of former playes to be found in the Vault sub-forum

btw, excellent court Katsyev, expect my envoys sooner or later

 

[N Katsyev]

Originally posted by Longinus
I simply advise to read the courts of former playes to be found in the Vault sub-forum

btw, excellent court Katsyev, expect my envoys sooner or later

I'll do so, and thank you.

 

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I'll be on and off for the next 8 days....so the posts wo't be as common as usual....GOIN GO To NYC.... YEAH BABY!!!!

 

[Longinus]

Originally posted by N Katsyev
You have a PM.

got it and replied. one more thing though mate, there is a rule to keep the Inscriptions and General Questions clean and tidy, thus we all have to restrain ourselfs from spamming it with short comments and reply, the Paradox Longues serves for it, Unless one have a pending question to Mods or other exp. players. just to let you know mate, we once had a stream of spam here and JG had to tighten the security throwing morale panelties here and there

cheers

 

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Originally posted by Longinus
hmm I was wodering lately, regarding the changes in the rules concerning the gifts etc. is it still possible to sell provinces for eco? or this is also prohibited?

Yes.

And... no.

Players can't sell provinces in that way: with one player giving the provinces and the other giving the money.

However, it would be possible for the 'buying' player to request an event where he'd pay an amount of money and the result would be an exchange of the province with the money going to the seller. Naturally, both players would need to PM Ladislav giving their consent.

This may seem like a complicated way of doing things, but here are the reasons for it:

* If the sale has to go via the event-mod, it gives us as mods the chance to check the deal over to see if it is fair or realistic and throw spanners in the works if not.

* It makes the 'no gifts' rule easier to explain if there are no exceptions.

* In the same way that the deliberately awkward QWERTY keyboard system was introduced on typewriters to slow their users down and thus prevent the letter-heads (or whatever the bits that hit the ribbon were called) jamming together through over-fast use, this system slows the players down so that ill-thought out sales are harder to manage, giving the players' brains more time to consider the move!

 

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Originally posted by N Katsyev
What is the best way for to check what obligations (if any) i'm under from the the previous player of Pskov? Is it new dynasty, clean slate, or are there some lingering ends I need to get tied up? If so, what is the best way to find out what they are? Thanks.

Just to add to Long's reply, players aren't expected to carry on where previous players left off, but it is appreciated a lot by those who remember what happened in the past. Continuity, and all that.

But since this is a fairly tricky game to get to grips with, it's not compulsory to pick up directly from your realm's former players. A matter of personal preference.

 

[Bagricula]

So, JG, if I were to sell Hellas to Gelre, there would be an event in which there would be a random chance of the sale not going through and the econ just vanishing into the ether?

 

[Longinus]

Originally posted by Bagricula
So, JG, if I were to sell Hellas to Gelre, there would be an event in which there would be a random chance of the sale not going through and the econ just vanishing into the ether?

I don't think so, I think that there wouldn't be a roll at all, just simply an event "format" dunno, perhaps some flavour roll, to check if the inhabitants have something against it (to prevent selling let's say Nubia to England - but I guess Mods wouldn't allow it in the first place)

 

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The Mamelukes repay 1 eco to Alger.


I suppose chris8b should confirm the repayment.

- Yoghurt

 

[Bagricula]

Are the dice thrown in the battle system 6-sided?