Archduchy Revolutionary CBs

[Whydah]

In my game as Austria, I switched to the Archduchy government and now, about 70+ years later into the game, when I need to forcibly change Hungary's government so I can form a Union, I have found out that I dont get any revolutionary CBs even though I have the idea unlocked. I was just wondering if this was something that was meant to happen or if it is just a side effect of having a unique government type now and it hasnt been/cant be fixed. I just wanna blob to the east and republics are bad for business! D:

 

[AndrewT]

Not a tech support issue so moved to main forum. If the community agrees it's likely to be a bug, post in Bug Reports please.

 

[DDRJake]

Counter revolution means that monarchies get it against republics and republics get it against monarchies. Archduchy is a monarchy, is it not? Try bordering a republic (royal/trade/admin...)

 

[joelzhl]

Special government types cannot force government with the revolution CB in 1.2:

		NOT = {
			government = papal_government
			government = steppe_horde
			government = dutch_republic
			government = archduchy
			government = celestial_empire
			government = iqta
			government = daimyo
			government = shogunate
			government = imperial_government
			government = american_republic
			government = federal_republic
		}

They changed this because people were using Diplo Ming to war Tibet to change to Noble Republic, which keep the factions while getting rid of Inward Perfection... this is why we can't have nice things.

 

[calvinhobbeslik]

Special government types cannot force government with the revolution CB in 1.2:

		NOT = {
			government = papal_government
			government = steppe_horde
			government = dutch_republic
			government = archduchy
			government = celestial_empire
			government = iqta
			government = daimyo
			government = shogunate
			government = imperial_government
			government = american_republic
			government = federal_republic
		}

They changed this because people were using Diplo Ming to war Tibet to change to Noble Republic, which keep the factions while getting rid of Inward Perfection... this is why we can't have nice things.

Then why not just do that for Celestial Empire?!

 

[ringhloth]

Then why not just do that for Celestial Empire?!

Because they never intended for those governments to have any other government.

 

[1alexey]

I never really understood the logic behind archducy treated same as papal goverment or chinese goverment. It should be treated as a regular feudal monarchy. And it should be changable just like F.M.

 

[TomosCaerllion]

If the idea is that Archduchy and American Republic are unique, it would make sense for them to be able to rev. war for the generic government type that best approximates them. Why can't the Archduke enforce Feudal Monarchy on Europe?

 

[Whydah]

I can see how this needs to be applied to a government like the Ming have but honestly, in the game, Archduchy has pretty much the same benefits as a Feudal monarchy and is listed as a monarchy in the government screen in game. I decided to switch to the Archduchy because I was PUing nations left and right and needed the relations cap boost but now, Im in the situation that the relation cap is a moot point because if I cant force government change, I cant keep the union anyway. Maybe there should be a different bonus that you get from the counter revolution idea if you have a unique gov type?

 

[unmerged(804580)]

Wait... I understand if Ming or Archduchy Austria cannot offer changing ITS government in a revolutionary war, but it should be able to force monarchy on others, right? Eh... I'm not going to complain if it's WAD, but it does feel a bit weird. Surely Ming or Austria would think the only sensible form of government is Monarchy.